Hello, It has been mentioned several times that the baseband on the Librem 5 is not going to be libre. OTOH, Micromax is selling phones supporting 4G, VoLTE, dual sim cards and tethering for about $35. So is there any plan on making a version without any baseband modem? I know that you plan on hav…

In good ol’ days the “smartphone without a phone” was called PDA. The idea i guess is not to swing the project into different direction but to offer lighter perk for backing the project. I… don’t know. I hate phones bigger than 5" and tablets bigger than 8". so 5" pda with pure linux on board is s…

[image] Dwaff: Let me just say, a device without a modem is not a phone, but something else. I backed a phone. Please make a phone. Yeah that’s what I was thinking and I was rather confused. Is he essentially talkin about having a handheld device that’s airgapped from all networks? [image…

Fully agree, want my phone as well as I pre-ordered. However not-so-expensive pda option would probably make me consider making another pre-order. Then i don’t expect PDA to be fully airgapped, just without baseband, still with WiFi/BT. Again - since deblobbed baseband could be an issue, and not m…

a second model will not be cheaper. To the contrary. The five bucks you save on the chip are eaten by additional marketing, planning, manufacturing differences etc. We currently have about 3000 preordered units. The price is only high because they have to pay the development. Once they can order 10…

Maybe I haven’t expressed myself clearly. I am not only interested in not having to pay for unwanted hardware (which I am sure will spy on me) but also I would like a fully libre solution ASAP. A fully libre computer in a phone format with assorted sensors, GPS, WiFI, BT, IR etc but without the base…

There are working reverse engineered solutions for Nvidia graphics but almost nothing for baseband. Do you think its because there’s no demand for it? I do :wink: The demand is currently not significantly higher than 3000 devices. Not by orders of magnitude. Not only is a non-baseband version n…

@Alex , note that I claim nowhere that this will be a smartphone in the traditional sense. I am not asking for an airgapped computer either. The small form factor is what interests me. And I would like a full array of sensors, speakers, microhones, WiFi, BT, IR, GPS, removable battery etc. but with a…

We are talking about two different ways to get a libre baseband. One way is to reverse engineer without any help from the manufacturer and another way is to get the manufacturer to release specs and possibly source code. For the latter, you will need to muster some clout with the manufacturer. That …

[image] kjadkajdk: For example the modem would need access to speakers and microphones for phone calls, camera for video calls, maybe GPS for emergency calls. No wait this is insane, baseband just provides exactly that - baseband (RF channel). How much will it eat from host’s CPU/MEM depends …

@ruff non-soldered pads: I think your proving my point: They use the same board for different versions or potential future enhancements. But that means that the board layout already has to account for those potential enhancements. @kjadkajdk : I think you have some of your technical assumptions wron…

A version of Librem 5 without any modem

Hardware Librem 5

Caliga February 23, 2018, 2:35pm 28

Have a look at this recent interview with Todd. It is my understanding that the dev-kit hardware shall be as close to the final hardware as possible. We will hear more about that in March/April.