Closing the App Gap; Focus and Momentum

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You show more and more your real face full of hate. :-1: A gaming wisdom of a player from top of the leader boards: the real noobs are those who call other people noobs instead of seeing their potential.

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I hate to proprietary chains software, what are you talking about? Are you defending bad software?

What noobs potential from bad software?

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Dear @carlosgonz honestly I don’t understand your hate vs Purism! They told, clearly, that will continue to develop PureOS giving it priority! You’re not obligated to install LibremOS :slightly_smiling_face:

But, please, consider that this last OS will allow more Librem5 buyers and users so it’s a winning strategy! So Librem5 will be used in both ways, at personal choice: in a pure way but less options or in a “dirty” way but more options. So, please, could you let me understand why you don’t like this double option?

Thank you

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Apple overtook Microsoft a short twenty years later.

could be talking about market capitalisation for all we know. There simply isn’t the detail in the statement.

And even harder to change governments. I actually choose not to run any banking apps. Hence banking is not a consideration for me in the context of the “app gap” (but I understand that the circumstances in other countries and the choices of other customers might be different). However there is a government app that I have no realistic way of avoiding running - and even less chance of persuading the government to be reasonable than persuading a bank to be reasonable.

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Librem OS is a Pure OS killer, the reason to continue to develop PureOS, it just to feed Librem OS on top Pure OS, so this mean that LibremOS will taint PureOS and Librem Electronics as Librem 16, Librem 14 v2, Librem 5.

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I’m not sure that “LibremOS” is the right name for this rung on the freedom ladder. Is that set in stone? Up for discussion? What other names were considered?

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For example I recentely tried running one app on waydroid on my PC. It fails to run because it’s x86… it’s not a game but a security camera app.

I think there will be many unexpected issues like this.

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The name is open to discussion. You are all welcome to create polls and recommend alternatives!

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I have to agree with @veleno : more Librem users means more money that goes towards the development of the soft- and hardware we all want. Being hardcore about software freedom just means that new users will find switching too hard and spend their dollars on Androids and iPhones instead. (I know I sometimes, in moments of frustration, start eyeing other phones.) For these non-hardcore users, a gradual transition might be the winning strategy. And it also benefits the diehards.

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I do not mean to be rude. But, does Purism have the staff to support another OS?

As a side note, since getting the Librem 5 I have quickly realized that I don’t need Android apps. I have pleasantly realized that most of GNOME ecosystem works well on the Librem 5 and I do not really need anything else.

Users who need apps such as Slack can go to the Flathub website and download the associated .flatpakref file—as they would on many, if not most, GNU/Linux distributions.

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Unless I am mistaken, operating systems such as Ubuntu Touch have been working on adding FDroid support for some time. FDroid is supported by the FSF and users can download applications such as the Aurora Store to install non-free software.

Optionally supporting Waydroid/FDroid in PureOS would be an excellent decision.

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@weirdnerd There’s a simple solution, stop using WhatsApp. I use no Meta services and I’m very happy.

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It benefits to Android, Meta and others by making people believe that we can’t live without their products.

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That is always an option for someone (at least in a personal capacity, as distinct from a role as an employee) but that is directly opposed to the premise in the article:

It’s not easy for individuals to give up communicating with their friends and family on proprietary chat services.

You won’t necessarily be able to persuade all friends and family to move to better services and nor is it reasonable that a person imposes a choice of chat service on someone else (in either direction).

The “network effect” is powerful. It isn’t undone in a day, in a week, in a year.

There may be repercussions beyond technology if you simply give up communicating with friends and family.

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Thank you for the clarification.

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This is basically true but it is a reason to try to load a bunch of proprietary stuff into PureOS?

Those friends and family already gave up communicating with you unless you use the same software they are.

When I try to use Waydroid for stuff a lot of the time the answer seems to be they’re not going to let it work. They, the providers of the nonfree server infrastructure that only allows nonfree connections, are the ones who make that decision, not me. No amount of goalpost moving on my side about what a Librem 5 is will make them like it, until we remove the HKS and change purism account to not be in sudoers.

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Then I rather suggest people to find better friends. If your friend keeps in touch with you at the condition that you stay on WhatsApp and/or Facebook, then it’s not a friend, it’s a Facebook/WhatsApp friend.

There are already repercussions beyond technology on those who refuse using WhatsApp like me and it’s becoming worse because there’s a lack of a strong choice against WhatsApp. Actually Pure tries to satisfy people with diverging interests, I think that it’s a dead end. By the way, it confirms that the “solution” can’t come from a social corporation, either everyone accepts WhatsApp, or WhatsApp must disappear.

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Not necessarily. There is a large group of people in the world who are simply not very good with technology. It’s easy to forget about them in this forum, where most of us are very good with technology.

Some people talk to their grandparents on services like this. I had an elderly neighbor who legitimately did not understand the difference between Facebook Messenger and SMS. (Meta causes this IMO by branding their app “Messenger”.)

It’s very difficult to help those folks get on another platform, even if they try. They may be willing to make the effort, but it’s a struggle. They’ll lose track of who is on which app, they can’t figure out why they can’t add you to this group chat, why they can’t forward this message to you. They’ll tap “share” on something and not be sure what to do when it asks which app to share with.

(I’m not intending to disparage grandparents or the elderly here. There are tech experts in this group, and there are people with no tech skills outside that group.)

I hope to bring Purism’s products to this group too. You shouldn’t have to be a tech expert to have the privacy, security, and freedom that more and more people need. However, it will be a very long road to reach this group.

Please don’t assume that everyone stuck on a proprietary messaging app is a bad friend.

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2 posts were merged into an existing topic: Name for “LibremOS”

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But can we tell them to please don’t assume that everyone stuck on non-proprietary messaging app is a bad friend?

When I visit my friend his TV will run advertisements for Whatsapp. The ad shows a little movie where friends invite everyone to a party but then change whose house they have to meet at. There are 2 or 3 people who aren’t on Whatsapp so they don’t know about the change of location, and then end up all alone. The point of the advert is that those 2 or 3 people are losers and everyone should use Whatsapp.

So while we’re over here being nice reminding ourselves they’re not a bad friend, they’re literally getting adverts about how we are losers.

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