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I don’t know how you could buy anything online without identifying yourself, cookies or no, unless the world were to suddenly fall in love with cryptocurrency.

who is we ?

i have two mice in my pocket… Both of them, they are hiding from the cat conspiracy.

You make a good point. the government under Trump allows ISP’s to spy. Obama’s admin used to fine our only cable provider, Suddenlink. Make them promise not to do it again. Suddenlink would find another technological trick to accomplish information gathering.

If the major owners -CEO, Senior Executives of Suddenlink was arrested coming out of his office as he went off to his weekend of golfing, fine dining, enjoying life. And spent the three days in jail waiting for a hearing. All that nonsense would stop.

For the super rich companies it is just a game. Even the Trump administration arrested one of the major owners players- of Huawei, as they traveled in Canada.

Governments, major power groups, spying can piggy back off the tools and guise of Surveillance Capitalism.

the way i see it there are THREE major pillars of surveillance capitalism

  1. Snoople
  2. Amazon (or should i say “Lord Amazon” :sweat_smile:)
  3. M$

there are others in social-media etc. but only the three listed above can have any meaningful POSITIVE change going for us … nowadays i can BARELY find a web-site not infested with Snoople tentacles which my Libre-JS + EFF badger combination always seem to sniff

Maybe actually using TLS mutual authentication is the answer to eliminating cookies? It’s been embedded in TLS for years, but it’s highly underutilized.

Amazons are female, shouldn’t you say “My Lady Amazon” ?

(Oh but that would be sexist nowadays.)

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nope. it’s gender neutral :wink:

So how PureOs and the browser manage cookies?
Sandboxing cookies of every website so we’ve the full functionality without being spied?
Hope my question is clear. I’m sorry but I’m not expert in it :cold_sweat:

[privacy238437] I hope the technologically knowledgeable people keep coming to the Purism Forum, and keep posting their expertise.

I have some thing else to say, but I have other things to do for a few days, and I want to say it carefully.

I keep seeing talk about cookies. But cookies are not the only big problem IMO. It’s the fingerprinting, cross-site injections, pixel eyes, ads wrapped around stalkers, beacons, permanent cookies (AKA supercookies by Adobe), and 3rd-party apps and a whole host of other nefarious doohickeys that are ignoring people’s rights to privacy.

Corporations and government have been lying to us for decades. What if everyone were to do the same to them?

It’s our devices that are being monitored - so far. As yet, there is no law forcing us to have a injection of *SMIRCers. Some companies have started using them - soon, newborns for their own safety of course - we’re next.

Like the old song says - Wishin’ and hopin’ and thinkin’ and prayin … Dusty Springfield that we’d get our rights to privacy back again.

There are 3 people that use -this device- I’m on now. To Google, I have multiple personalities. Take me away - please!

~s~
*Stalk, Monitor, Inject, Record and Control

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One thing that happened to me to Today was my 'droid kept asking for my wifi “emergency location data”. Bleep, bleep, bleep… Drove me nuts for a half hour trying remember: “What the hell did I do to turn that on?”

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I got a postcard from CostCo about a voluntary recall of Cottonelle flushable wipes because of possible microbial activity on the wipes, specifying the two dates I bought that product this year.

A little late to advise me about that now. My behind has already used the last of that product. (They were a great help in getting rid of dingleberries.)

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[ Narrator] Joe was arrested for not paying his hospital bill… and not having his U.R.C. Tattoo.
He would soon discover that in the future, justice was not only blind… but had become rather retarded as well.
You shut up! Now-
[ Clears Throat ]
I’m fixin’ to commensurate this trial here.
We gonna see if we can’t come up with a verdict up in here.
Now, since y’all say you ain’t got no money… we have “proprietarily” obtained for you… one of them court-appointed lawyers.
So, put your hands together and give it up for Frito Rendejo.

from the Idiocracy movie Script

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A big part of the international problem is that US companies will sell any kind of surveillance tools to any foreign government.

The US has a system in place to control what can and can not be exported from the US. We should simply prohibit any us tech companies from exporting those tools. Why do we need to give the Iranian government the tools they can use to track down and punish their citizen protesters? Just say “no”. If they don’t like that, then we don’t need to sell them anything at all. Let them go without any internet or cell phones at all. The same thing goes for Hong Kong. We should sell VPN and hacking tools to their citizens. But those respective governments would be blind and their citizens all anonymous if we just don’t sell those tools of oppression to oppressive governments. The default is that those countries have no cell phones and no internet at all. That is better than using US technology to assist governments in the oppression of their own citizens. Do we believe in freedom or not?

The US could use their tech to disable social credit systems and to turn off any oppressive Chinese apps in China… if it’s not too late already. We should turn off WeChat and TicToc in the US until after China opens up Facebook and Twitter in China.