Debian-based phosh phone from Hong Kong company & China OEM

Hardware Librem 5
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There is evidence that says it won’t work with US carriers. There is also evidence that it can support US carriers.
Librem5…

######### Librem5 ########################
purism@pureos:~$ mmcli -m 0
  -----------------------------------
  Bands    |               supported: pcs, g850, utran-4, utran-5, utran-2, eutran-2, eutran-3, 
           |                          eutran-4, eutran-5, eutran-12, eutran-13, eutran-17, eutran-25, 
           |                          eutran-26, eutran-41, eutran-66

And FLX1…

######### FLX1 ########################
root@FuriPhoneFLX1:~# mmcli -m 0
  ----------------------------------
  Bands    |              supported: egsm, dcs, pcs, g850, g450, g480, g750, g380, g410, g710, 
           |                         g810, utran-1, utran-3, utran-4, utran-6, utran-5, utran-8, 
           |                         utran-9, utran-2, utran-7, utran-10, utran-11, utran-12, utran-13, 
           |                         utran-14, utran-19, utran-20, utran-21, utran-22, utran-25, utran-26, 
           |                         utran-32, eutran-1, eutran-2, eutran-3, eutran-4, eutran-5, eutran-6, 
           |                         eutran-7, eutran-8, eutran-9, eutran-10, eutran-11, eutran-12, 
           |                         eutran-13, eutran-14, eutran-17, eutran-18, eutran-19, eutran-20, 
           |                         eutran-21, eutran-22, eutran-23, eutran-24, eutran-25, eutran-26, 
           |                         eutran-27, eutran-28, eutran-29, eutran-30, eutran-31, eutran-32, 
           |                         eutran-33, eutran-34, eutran-35, eutran-36, eutran-37, eutran-38, 
           |                         eutran-39, eutran-40, eutran-41, eutran-42, eutran-43, eutran-44, 
           |                         eutran-45, eutran-46, eutran-47, eutran-48, eutran-49, eutran-50, 
           |                         eutran-51, eutran-52, eutran-53, eutran-54, eutran-55, eutran-56, 
           |                         eutran-57, eutran-58, eutran-59, eutran-60, eutran-61, eutran-62, 
           |                         eutran-63, eutran-64, eutran-65, eutran-66, eutran-67, eutran-68, 
           |                         eutran-69, eutran-70, eutran-71, eutran-85, ngran-1, ngran-2, ngran-3, 
           |                         ngran-5, ngran-7, ngran-8, ngran-12, ngran-13, ngran-14, ngran-18, 
           |                         ngran-20, ngran-25, ngran-26, ngran-28, ngran-29, ngran-30, ngran-34, 
           |                         ngran-38, ngran-39, ngran-40, ngran-41, ngran-48, ngran-50, ngran-51, 
           |                         ngran-53, ngran-65, ngran-66, ngran-70, ngran-71, ngran-74, ngran-75, 
           |                         ngran-76, ngran-77, ngran-78, ngran-79, ngran-80, ngran-81, ngran-82, 
           |                         ngran-83, ngran-84, ngran-86, ngran-89, ngran-90, ngran-91, ngran-92, 
           |                         ngran-93, ngran-94, ngran-95, ngran-257, ngran-258, ngran-260, 
           |                         ngran-261

The one that is winning at the moment is that it doesn’t support US bands… …because it isn’t working. :slight_smile:

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You confused me at first, pasting outputs from two separate devices in one block. :rofl:

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I thought I saw Elon asking on X if he should make a cell phone. If he partnered or bought Purism, that would certainly put a lot of steam behind developing the platform.

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Bite your tongue!

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If Purism goes out of business because of cheap knockoff L5’s like you just pointed out, what then? That’s even worse.

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The community can decentralize responsibilities:

The schematics of the Librem 5 are available, so I am not concerned about its future.

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I just read this and thought of your post

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Furi Labs just announced they apparently got bands working in the US USA Bands - Furi Labs: Planned Permanence

I am pretty tempted…

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As an owner of a FLX1 in the USA, and one of the people mentioned in the blog post… Development has not caught up with marketing. On my device LTE band 4 is working. There are many more bands to go. My device still doesn’t do MMS although the blog post seems to say it does. I asked in chat about MMS and was told updates were on the way.
Based on what I know about USA band support so far I was disappointment in marketing’s choice of wording in the blog. I’m just reserving judgement until a bit more time has passed and more updates make it to my device.

I really want them to be successful so if you can afford it, buy one. Just be warned to keep your expectations below what marketing claims, just in case.

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Ha. Well, I can afford it but I have been down that road with Purism. I suspected as much and I appreciate you confirming the “over-marketing” aspect of the FLX1. As I stated in my other post, I am happy with the Librem 5, at the moment.

Thank you for sharing, though. I was thinking directly of you because I remembered reading your prior review.

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Is it good to support another manufacturer even if you keep using the Librem 5? They’re all working on the same software … at least partly?

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It is good to support mobile Linux development, period.

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Agreed, growing the ecosystem one way or another is a good thing. Both with our monetary support, using the devices, using the software and contributing to the software (via usage, bug reports, documentation, support, and even code).

But that’s just the ideals of FLOSS anyway. We can’t give up!

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FuriOS is based on trixie, so any changes they make will eventually come to PureOS Dawn as well.

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FuriOS is based on trixie, so any changes they make will eventually come to PureOS Dawn as well.

If they upstream them.

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They publish all their changes Furi Labs · GitHub (at least 108 repos right now). I hope they will push changes upstream, but even if they don’t someone else could take those and submit it upstream (as the license allow it).

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History tells us with a large degree of certainty: If devs don’t push their changes upstream, those changes will almost certainly not make their way into upstream.

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I have seen at least one place where they stated their intention to upstream changes,

" phosh: the last used window should be displayed on the right (as in android)

  • That’s more of an opinion thing, but I think I agree with you. I’ll look into adding it as a preference and upstreaming it into phosh."
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My question is: why on the right? I’m using it with left hand and so it’s even further away one handed (already in the dead-zone where my thumb cannot reach it anymore while mid is still ok).

The wrong place here to response, but wanna show that not every idea should be upstreamed.

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They said “add it as a preference”, not force this on everyone. You will still be able to choose what you prefer.

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