Ah, OK. Sorry.
Donât rely on Android apps working on the Librem 5. Itâs not something thatâs promised to work reliably, it may work for some use cases but wonât work for others; you may also find your data from inside the container unavailable after updates, forcing you to delete it and start over. Granted, Iâm fairly impressed with how well Waydroid starts to work already, but a week ago it did not work at all (not counting software rendering, which I personally found unusable), so the fact that a working solution is actually on the horizon at this moment is pretty much just luck.
I have no idea how long will it take for things to flow upstream, it depends on upstream projects. At this moment Iâm not going to provide any user support other than the instructions Iâve already written - and everything one needs to replicate my setup is already there. Iâm really sorry for this gatekeeping, but itâs just too brittle right now - you could easily trigger problems with your system that on surface will appear unrelated to Waydroid if you donât know exactly what youâre doing at each step.
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This does not really solve your problem completely, but I guess currently the best practice would be for you to have a second phone at home running WhatsApp and Bank Apps and check it twice a day when you are at home.
This is not a great solution, but it has some advantages in regard of avoiding distraction during the day and staying on focus for deep work (ref. Cal Newport).
And is someone really needs to reach you faster, they can call you or finally install a more data respecting / secure application. Giving people some motivation to move away from WhatsApp is not a bad thing. Especially for a person living in Germany:
By the way this also makes it possible for you to have different contact lists on the 2 phones and to only have the WhatsApp users as contacts on the second phone at home.
Not convinient I know, but this is an option.
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I would love to get rid of the s-id check app and whats app altogether.
Unfortunately i canât do that right now because it would put me at a disadvantage when trying to pay or get/keep in touch with people online.
I try to avoid whats app whenever possible anyway.
But sometimes you have to use it or youâre missing out on somethingâŚ
The reason i bought the librem 5 is i want to get rid of my iphone.
I do not want having to deal with a second phone.
Looks like i have to hang on to the ibug a little longer.
@Michael24 regarding the WhatApp Issue you could use matrix with their bridges either self hosted or with their service so you can leave the iphone at home and only log in I think once a month or something like that.
I could not find a hardware stick based alternatives to the s-id app but for the Postbank in Germany there are alternatives to their app, so I expect there to be something similar for the Sparkasse as well.
I wonder how Purismâs staff in Germany deal with this situation.
@joao.azevedo, @guido.gunther, others ?
Personally, I am a weird person.
When I opened my bank account I did a 30 KM train trip to the closest branch of the bank where I wanted to open an account on, so I would not need to use an Android/iOS app to have a video conference with the bank employeeâs to authenticate my ID when opening the account.
For 2FA for online transactions I use ChipTAN, as my bank allows that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_authentication_number#ChipTAN_/_Sm@rt-TAN_/_CardTAN
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I like your way. 
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The very common credit card companies Mastercard / Visa usually allow you to switch from a proprietary app to sms tan for confirming credit card payments and it seems to be possible here too: https://www.sparkassen-kreditkarten.de/faq/mastercardr-identity-checktm-visa-secure.html
Note that Android/Waydroid is often not an alternative as such apps often go to a great length to figure out if the phone was ârootedâ or not. There seem to be ways around this too but if youâre dependent on such things it looks too brittle to me.
That said we (as in the PureOS community) really need to start talking to banks about these apps and figure out how they work and how we can build free replacements since they seem to be a common blocker for people.
So everyone relying on proprietary Android apps: please talk to people in companies / universities, etc that force you to use this software and explain the situation 
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I, and several other people, have publicly messaged my bank about the proprietary (Synaptic) TOTP app they use. Why they feel they have to limit this to one specific authentication app, when there are so many to choose from, I donât know.
Iâve even seen in several custom Android ROM forums that often non-rooted phones with unlocked bootloaders get banned as well, unfortunately.
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If they truly use TOTP then it may work with any other TOTP app. Have you tried that?
No, but wouldnât I need a QR code or link?
Yes.
Traditionally you would get a QR code for the blackbox app to scan and that QR code encodes text like
otpauth://totp/xxx?secret=xxx&issuer=xxx
and you would at the very least need to scrounge the secret from that âURLâ and load it into your other app.
If the blackbox app obtains the secret via the internet and canât export it then that is painful.
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