Note that due to the controversial nature of this topic, and the rules of this forum, I ask that this thread’s discussion be limited to the topic in the post and not the many other political and other topics that have been hashed out of the past week on other forums, chat rooms, etc. There are plent…

[image] amosbatto: Purism’s Social Purpose Corporation charter should prevent Purism from ever becoming a company that ever acts like Google or the other tech giants. Look at the text of the charter: I remember when Google used to say “do no evil”. I remember when Jack Dorsey testified to Co…

[image] nhu: Freedom for whom ? Freedom to steal data from the user ? Or freedom for the user to trust that an app is not stealing his data (unless it is clearly stated). Freedom for me to install whatever app I like from whatever supplier I choose to trust. Now, of course that doesn’t mean …

[image] danielr: Charters can be changed - and one day it might make sense for Purism to change their charters in response to any external, or internal pressures. (just as google did, just as Twitter did etc) There is a very big difference between saying “don’t be evil” as an internal corpora…

[image] Kyle_Rankin: So much of the phone app ecosystem is dedicated to spying that it’s really difficult, even if you use free software applications on those platforms sometimes, to identify and remove all the trackers on existing code. I know how hard it would be to write the complete suite…

[image] danielr: like you promised would never happen Treating that as a broken promise is unreasonable, just like if we released software that later was found to have a security bug which we then patched upon discovery, we wouldn’t be breaking a promise to prioritize the security of our cust…

I’m not treating it like a broken promise. (that was a poor choice in words.) There is a huge difference between an accidental oversight a couple of years ago and a malicious action (or inaction.) The article literally says “we’re putting in new systems to aid in detecting things like this in futu…

[image] danielr: There is a huge difference between an accidental oversight a couple of years ago and a malicious action (or inaction.) I really wish more people in the forum (and in the community at large) understood that distinction. The FOSS community has been hurt and exploited so many ti…

[image] danielr: My only point about the charter was that things change. - and that can be for a variety of reasons. … All I’m saying is there are more pressures than business pressures once a company reaches a certain size, or certain audience… It won’t be easy to get rid of Purism’s Socia…

Perhaps this topic has run its course, having meandered all over the place, despite the OP’s plea.

Either that or move to “round table”, but forking topics really should fork threads too - even there. To be a bit cheeky, I think the original poster of the first message mis-categorized this, as this wasn’t about HW [see label mouse-over] :wink:

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