Pure MINI-PC preorder campaign

I’ve just wanted (somehow, perhaps just by wording) to upscale output to 2160p60 (2160p50 preferred to be inclusive, as accustomed in most content cases here in Europe), nothing else. Anyway and not having any further comment, some time ago I’ve stumbled to this article:

I’m almost sure you’ll understand my general concerns (when fruitful delights are somewhere to stay) even though it might be that I don’t need to watch (stream from …) poor proprietary content (losing my time by expecting that some quality content/message comes out) at all. Yet, if there is some optional choice or way, when reaching out for ethical or any other particular delights, to avoid CEC, EME W3C specification, DRM, etc., please let me know.

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The new mini is really tiny which is beautiful but also has two impacts due to the small height:

  1. Extendability (eg. additional SSD)
  2. Thermal limitations (cooling required for less noise under heavy CPU load)

I know this from the Intel NUK series where I preferred to by the case with more height (H versions AFAIR).

So: Is there a realistic chance to offer another (higher) case?

PS: Thanks to listening to our (=clients) wishes - a small and secure desktop replacement was always on my list

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For Steam I might be in for the pre-order. Doesn’t look to be aimed for that purpose though. Any chance of having the card upgraded for full rendering 3D games ?

Due to the diminutive size and the un-blob like nature of dedicated GPUs, what you’re asking for is not possible. At least not with the mini PC here.

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Thanks for the quick reply. I guessed as much, too bad as it could have been a good option.

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There’s also thermal management to be considered.

I would rather say “not realistic” than “not possible” but then neither of us speaks for Purism. :slight_smile:

What about an external GPU connected via USB-C? I still think that might be a blob problem though.

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I’m not sure if anyone here realises this, but this appears to be based on a PC from Alibaba that costs between $145 and $299 each: https://alibaba.com/product/60809356530/8th-Gen-Processor-Barebone-Mini-PC.html.

What I’m wondering is: Where does the extra $400+ go? Is it all going to porting Coreboot and, perhaps, neutralising Intel ME on this specific platform? If so, it must be a really expensive process.

You’d be surprised then. I’ll let you in on a little secret though: almost every Linux laptop or PC you can find is based on a reference model. Want to know something even more secret? Even Dell, HP, etc. are basing their models off of references models.

With that in mind what justifies the higher price of those brands PCs?

Guess what? It is something.

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I noticed reference designs with one of System76’s PCs a while ago, where a nearly identical Windows version from another company was about $100 more expensive.

I don’t know what would justify a higher price on Dell or HP PCs if they were running Linux. Maybe advertising and support? Otherwise, the Windows license would make it more expensive I guess. None of these things are really worth it for me, as I block ads and tend to build my own computers when possible with many custom solutions. The Librem 5 is worth it to me because there is no other phone which beats it in both freedom, openness, specs, and modularity, because it supports the development of open Linux phones which I have been wanting for years, and because I asked for it as a present rather than paying for it myself.

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Actually, those manufacturers get cheap Windows licenses, plus they get money for bundling all the crap (e.g. Antivirus snakeoil test version) you didn’t ask for. In summary, is “cheaper” than free software.

On the price of the mini:
The PC you linked is a barebone. If I’m not mistaken, the price does not include storage, memory and CPU!?

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indeed, and that’s why they have so much money :slight_smile:

Link doesn’t work at all for me. Gives 404 and I’m pretty sure that’s not the price. :slight_smile:

A link that was posted earlier (that may or may not be the ‘correct’ link) is barebones-ish. It includes your choice of CPU from among 4 choices but you can order it without disk and memory.

So a price of US$172 will get you no disk and no memory, and a bargain basement CPU (Pentium 5405U) - which may well suit some people, but not me. I have no desire to go backwards. :slight_smile:

You can play with all the combinations of CPU, disk and memory. However that vendor only allows certain combinations of disk and memory (I assume for logistics reasons, not for technical reasons).

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and that’s why you would set aside a few more bucks for somebody to help you if you don’t know what you’re doing … finding the right hw combinations that work as a WHOLE with each-other and into a sw context CAN be a chore in itself …

you would probably reach much “more” by the time you are done if you’re a non-techie … :sweat:

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:+1:

That too. Integration risk / cost is real. Sometimes it amounts to 0 (everything works out-of-the-box once installed) and sometimes it turns into a multi-day odyssey or even ultimately results in failure (return goods, where possible, and chalk one up to experience).

If you choose to buy barebones (CPU but no disk or memory) and procure the memory yourself then no doubt some people’s next action will be to post (from a working computer!): I bought memory card XYZ and the computer doesn’t boot - is that because it is not compatible or I didn’t install it correctly or something is not configured correctly or the memory is faulty? In my experience (YMMV) disk is less drama but it is still possible to have drama.

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Oh, that would explain the price disparity!

It’s hard to check though, as the listing has mysteriously disapeared…

Is it this one?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/8th-Gen-Processor-Barebone-Mini-PC_60809356530.html
CPU is different but specs are similar

Weird. Gives two different CPUs in the heading (four in the blurb later on) but doesn’t seem to be able to choose which.

Storage selection doesn’t even say whether it’s SATA SSD, NVMe SSD or HDD that you are selecting.

This has been discussed in this thread: Question About Librem Mini

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