I think that Apple and google are comparable as they are the 2 dominating groups inside the mobile phone market (in respect as android with google play services and IOS). You can argue apple is more secure and I believe that in respect to permissions management for apps and sandboxing and so on but apple phones are not secure phones just because they are better than google android phones in some ways. Depending on who you buy your android phone from, android gives you more freedom in respect of downloading and installing applications from anywhere you want and I really appreciate that. You can say that in insecure but there is google protect or something if you want to use that but still. With apple, developers are forced to create apps that have to be on the app store and have to cough up 30%… I am starting to go off on a tangent so I am going to stop. If you believe apple is freedom respecting, you may want to look at RMS’ website to read up.
What I agree with is that apple makes easy to use phones for normies which is completely fine but I wish they gave options for the power users so I could customize an IOS device to my liking with one awesome thing being able to flash a different OS which they make almost impossible (in regard to mobile phones).
I think you should be more careful when saying
because that isn’t very fair. AOSP android and the hardening project around grapheneOS make a pretty secure device (if you ignore the concept of proprietary firmware). Google is terrible but there is an option there to have android without google and many roms have that option.
Yes that is unfortunate but you can still get different roms on different phones if you want.
Well tough sh**. Buy 2nd hand maybe?
Well kids didn’t get T400s and x200s freedom respecting out of the factories in China too. Hackers made them better (not perfect). No phone on the market comes ethical because none are from what I have found (unless you want to count that phone from technoethical with whatever that OS was on a samsung device which can’t do basic things such as GSM calling).
The camera isn’t good without google camera stuff but if you want you could install that app from aurora store which comes from f-droid (though that somewhat defeats the purpose of the OS).
I don’t hate you. I just enjoy breaking down views and discussing them. I don’t think anyone really bullies anyone here.
Good for you. A somewhat unpopular opinion I have is avoid the L5 until price decrease and FSF certification 
People aren’t here to fight; we are here to talk and hf.
Apple is not some saint saving you from trackers and other crap in the world because they are crap and are a creator of devices that track you because they couldn’t give a flying frick when it comes to open source software for the purpose of freedom. Apple and google are compared because they are both proprietary garbage and create devices and don’t respect you.