20 recipient limit per hour?!?! WTF!

[Dlonk]

@leetaur

GMail etc started blocking emails coming in from Librem One. Purism agreed to put into place controls to get off the “naughty list”. The limits, I believe, were part of that.

Hahahahaha, hahaha. Gmail controls the rate limit Purism email is allowed to send at.

What a world. Google, geez, what a company. Totally not an evil monopoly. They simply get to control the rate other email providers can send at, because they’re the one big guy who calls the shots, that’s all.

Why do we even have monopoly laws, again?

[irvinewade]

@leetaur

Purism agreed to put into place controls to get off the “naughty list”. The limits, I believe, were part of that.

Can you provide a more explicit citation for that? I couldn’t find any evidence in the topic that you linked.

Nevertheless, having outbound limits is sensible policy even if not forced to by the peer inbound server.

@Dlonk

Gmail controls the rate limit Purism email is allowed to send at.

@Dlonk

Why do we even have monopoly laws, again?

This needs to be supported as being accurate before we worry about lawyering up.

However the reality is that almost every inbound mail server applies logic to manage spam - and sometimes that logic is painful for everyone else - painful for the recipient (their customer), painful for the sender, painful for the sending server.

Same for outbound mail servers, mutatis mutandis.

[leetaur]

@irvinewade

Can you provide a more explicit citation for that? I couldn’t find any evidence in the topic that you linked.

I have looked for a more explicit citation. I’m just glad I remembered there was a forum topic on Purism having trouble with spam Also I remember I was missing emails as well, so remember some of the conversation around it.

I have a vague memory of talking to Kyle Rankin or Dorota about it on Matrix, but after 3+ years my memory on it is fuzzy.

Maybe someone from Purism can jump in. If I find it in these forums, I’ll post an additional link.

[leetaur]

Got it!

See Joao’s response.

Too Many Recipients

It’s the Librem One server, we have a rate limit of max addresses on an email to help prevent spammers.

[irvinewade]

@leetaur

See Joao’s response.

Noone disputes that there is a limit. The question was about the circumstances in which the limit was instituted i.e. was Purism really coerced by a blacklist operator / by Google / by anyone else? was the limit even instituted at that time?

[leetaur]

@irvinewade

Noone disputes that there is a limit. The question was about the circumstances in which the limit was instituted i.e. was Purism really coerced by a blacklist operator / by Google / by anyone else? was the limit even instituted at that time?

This might be what I’m remembering:

Mail problems...why?

We had a few paid email accounts that were used for spam. We investigated and shut it down once we became aware of it but now we have to clean up the resulting mess. We are working on remote providers like gmail now, as we become aware of them, but remote providers often knee-jerk to add hosts to a block list, and take their time to remove them.

Specifically:

We are working on remote providers like gmail now, as we become aware of them, but remote providers often knee-jerk to add hosts to a block list, and take their time to remove them.

I don’t see something in here specifically for what I posted:

Purism agreed to put into place controls to get off the “naughty list”.

So maybe I’m putting things together that shouldn’t be put together. Or it could have been in Matrix that I saw it.

What we do know though, is that some Spammers had a paid account(s) in 2021, and Librem Mail got blocked and worked “with providers like gmail”. And that in a later thread Joao confirmed there were limits on recipients.