I’m betting that feedbackd also becomes a thing in other distros or hardware from other companies in the future too. Something as simple as a blinking indicator light can have a lot of appeal.
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Maybe you could add manufactured units numbers to this table… Well… estimates…
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UBports said in one of its monthly reports that there were 4000 to 4500 units shipped of the PinePhone CE: Ubports. In her CCC presentation last year, Nicole Faerber said that Purism’s goal was to produce 10k units of the Librem 5. We don’t have any other information about production numbers of the two phones.
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Then I would say:
Estimated manufactured units:
Librem 5: tens (or hundreds? doesn’t seem so many)
Pinephone: at least 4000 (or thousands)
Any proper guess is better than nothing.
I can’t understand this secrecy. Maybe they need to hide some numbers of what they are going to produce so they could negociate better, but why do they need to hide the numbers of what they have produced so far??? That’s so lame…
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Isn’t the manufactured units number going to be perpetually out of date?
Specs are fixed - until the next model comes out. This topic is attempting to compare specs.
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Could well be around 10000 by now.
What we don’t know is, how many Purism will put on stock and whether they made some deals with companies who take hundreds or thousands.
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I would like to see what have been build so far, not pre-orders/goals.
Yes, you are right. But I see no harm in adding built unit numbers to this fairly complete comparation. I think that every interested user would like to know them and they could very well learn them here alongside other info. The numbers can be updated from time to time… A timestamp can be specified.
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If the numbers are lower than some customer thinks it ought to be (if, for instance, production is slow in the beginning and the gets faster over time, as has been stated) someone WILL start announcing that Purism won’t be able to meet their shipping deadline and go all over the internet telling people to cancel their order because they’ve only produced X phones when it should be Y phones, which would require Purism explaining their manufacturing process and going into a whole bunch of details they shouldn’t have to which will open the door for MORE speculation and the cycle would continue.
It ultimately boils down to impatience. The phones will come, and there’s no evidence to the contrary because a lack of evidence is not itself evidence. Sometimes, you’re just gonna have to wait.
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There are now twelve phones in the comparison too. That’s a lot of work for someone chasing down sales numbers that companies don’t necessarily publish.
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Who needs customers that cancel orders based on rumors? Especially in the beginning.
If I were Purism I would be very proud to say that I built 1, or 2, or 20 Aspen devices, 40 Birch, etc… very proud of my work and my partners, and I would let anybody know about it.
Again, I’m taking here about what’s happened already, not what’s coming. I pre-ordered 2 years ago… I know how to wait. And I’m happy for every progress Purism has. Hope they share it more with us. Ok, enough with me going off-topic. I rest my case.
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It ultimately boils down to impatience. The phones will come, and there’s no evidence to the contrary because a lack of evidence is not itself evidence. Sometimes, you’re just gonna have to wait.
Agree, and by the way I enjoy this process where I feel connected to the dev process on this forum. I learn new things every time and my expectations are raising. Of course I cannot wait to have the real phone in my hands, but the road to it is also a lot of fun.
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I think another “reason to buy” Librem 5 should be that Purism develops both hardware and software. Therefore the users should expect a better, smoother experience, more reliable device as well as better safety.
P.S. I don’t think it is necessary to list the updates in the main post. It’s already very long. Comments explaining what’s updated should be enough in my opinion.
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What do you make of the obvious security risk of Chinese designed and manufactured chips?
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This is offtopic here (we are comparing GNU/Linux phones). I suggest to start a new topic with this question.
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Something interesting: A secure linux phone with blobless hardware, run by i.MX…
https://xxlsec.com/privecalltx/ https://linuxgizmos.com/secure-open-source-linux-handheld-has-an-ethernet-port/ https://github.com/xxlsec/proteusdevice/wiki https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoKXPoFZ-yEzJPNn1j-L9ww
Well, only i.MX6 with 1GB RAM, 8 GB (eMMC), a 3500mAh battery, 5" screen, Wifi and a wired 100Mbit/s ethernet. No killswitches, no cellphone connectivity - similar to Necunos. Similiar size to L5. The phone is called PrivecallTX (Proteusdevice is dev version, see git faq) from XXLSEC. Released last December. Couldn’t find price for it and assume they’re avoiding consumer market. Seems to be using MMP protocol for connectivity (didn’t have time to dig too deep on pros/cons). The say they use vanilla kernel 5.4.3 in their PriveOS linux. Claims to be made in Finland (assembly maybe?).
Beyond the specs comparison, I smell “strategic opportunity” and “synergy” and other dirty words when I look at this tech but doubt anything like that would actually happen.
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This looks even less useful than the Necunos NC1. I guess some companies might need it for secure communications, but I can’t figure out why it has a custom 12 pin connector when they could have just put the Ethernet port in the phone. It looks like the USB-C port is only for charging. The lack of a microSD card slot makes it even less useful. I’m not a big fan of using a custom communications protocol (MMP), but it might be good for security through obscurity because who is going to bother cracking something that is used by only a handful of companies.
I’m guessing that you only buy the phone if you are buying their other products as well, so it is all sold as part of a package deal to companies.
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The NC1 is over 1k in euros and has 1GB RAM. What!?
Who is paying for that?
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I think Necunos’ real goal was to make phones for companies that needed customized security solutions and IP-only phones. The NC_1 was a community version to demonstrate what Necunos would offer to businesses.
The NC_1 was scheduled to do an initial production run of 500 units, so I think it could have worked if it had released back in 2019 before the PinePhone and Librem 5. The NC_1 had supply chain problems, and now it doesn’t look like it will ever be produced. No real loss since it would have done little to promote mobile Linux at that price with ancient hardware, but it’s still sad when a Linux company fails.
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If the Librem 5 didn’t exist the best choice would be a Planet Computer Cosmo (proven already) or put your hopes into the Astro Slider. Seeing as how they have crowd funded all of their products, you should be able to have very high confidence in them producing and shipping the Astro Slider. They are pretty experienced at all of this now.
However, I think the Librem 5 represents more things that are pushing mobile convergence forward that I want to see.
The ultimate dream of mine is to find someway to stuff an i7 and 16gb of RAM into a smart phone size device with a touch screen, and have it operate on only one core at a reduced clock to converse power, and then when docked, and perhaps a custom heat solution (perhaps part of the dock), the device could be used with all the power of a traditional laptop.
To me this would be true convergence. I have never liked the need to switch to ARM to accomplish the power savings. Granted what Apple has done with ARM and performance is impressive. I do think Intel is working to counter this, and while they might not be successful yet, they have the coffers and the experience to eventually get something out that makes more sense.
The way Windows is working to get x86 emulation on ARM is also a good idea, provided performance is good and it doesn’t eat battery life (something I’m not convinced of).
I think we are eventually going to get there, and perhaps what will really happen is that your cpu and guts will all be in a case similar to a portable battery in shape and size, and it will tether wirelessly with a set of AR glasses. Then your screen could be in your hand, or on a wall.
Imagine an empty desk with only a chair and a set of glasses on it. With the glasses on it is a massive 70" monitor that curves perfectly with the users eye sight. Only visible with the glasses on.
This is the future and that example barely touches the service of what is possible with that technology. Scary that Facebook is one of the chief companies pushing the development on that technology.
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and what nVidia will do from now on …
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