Convergence at a Fraction of the Retail Price

One great feature of the Librem 5 is the ability to use it like a desktop PC complete with Keyboard, mouse, and full-sized monitor. When connected to the correct hardware, a high resolution desktop display, and keyboard and mouse control are the norm for the Librem 5. The question here for many is to ask “what is the “correct” hardware? I have wasted the purchase of several different types of hardware trying to figure that out. When a given USB-C phone cradle or docking station doesn’t work, I toss it in the trash and order something else, for the next attempt. And I have some answers now. I also have some solutions.

Some people may ask “why not just use Purism’s published solution and buy a lapdock?” As much as I am sure that works, it appears to be a clunky solution to me and it’s way overpriced. When you buy a lapdock from Purism, they sell you a product that retails from Nexdock for $299.00 (a Nexdock 360) and mark it up to $550.00 (your price). They do throw in a phone cradle that you could have bought on Amazon for $5.00. So Purism makes a profit of around $245.00 for just buying and then reselling another company’s product to you. Even at a price of $305.00 though (if you buy direct from Nexdock and Amazon), it’s still way overpriced and still a clunky solution.

I’ll explain my definition of clunky here. If I want a laptop pc, I’ll buy a laptop pc, probably for less than the $550.00 cost of the lapdock. Why buy something that is much bigger than your Librem 5 and more expensive than a laptop that only looks like a laptop but is mostly an empty shell for the most part, only to utilize your librem 5 where you wouldn’t even need it, if you did have a real laptop pc? If you want Linux, format that Windows laptop hard drive and install Linux on it. But you still have to carry that empty shell of a laptop with you when you travel. It’s a hokey, hillbilly solution in my opinion. What you need is a small docking station, not an empty shell of a laptop PC. I want a docking station that fits in my pocket and is what I use for convergence with my phone. Everywhere I go, I use docking stations. I have docking stations at home and at work. So I sit down at either location, plug in my Librem 5 to the USB-C instead of turning on my laptop there, and suddenly my phone is now a computer with a full screen, with a keyboard and mouse and high resolution monitor. And what if I paid only $70.00 or less for the docking station? In addition, I don’t need to find room on my office desk top for a mostly empty shell that only pretends to be a laptop PC. My Librem 5 fits anywhere while in use in convergence mode. I just want to plug it in and experience convergence using my regular docking station to my regular monitor and USB devices that I use to dock to other devices, without having to set up a fake laptop pc at my desk every time.

So here is what I have found so far. You will read in several places that the Librem 5 requires an “ALT DP” or “ALT Display Port” protocol to get convergence. That may or may not be true. But none of the docking stations that promise ALT display port on Amazon will work. None of the cradles that promise compatability with Samsung Dex will work either. No low cost docking station has worked for me yet. The $300 docking station for my employer’s company laptop (a Lenovo) works just fine for convergence with my Librem 5. I was shocked to see the high screen resolution for my Librem 5 in Convergence mode. But that docking station is way overkill. I am only using one HDMI monitor plug and two USB‐A plugs for the keyboard and mouse. I quickly discovered that the key is in the USB-C plug that plugs in to your Librem 5 from the docking station. It’s a Thunderbolt plug, which is backward compatible with ALT DP protocols. I don’t know if Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 will work or not. But absolutely, Thunderbolt 3, Generation 2 or higher does work for convergence with the Librem 5. That is what is on the higher-end docking station that I am using now. Make sure that your docking station is Thunderbolt 3, Gen 2 or higher if you want a strong likelihood of getting a positive result for Librem 5 convergence. I found one of those Thunderbolt 3, Gen 2 docking stations on Amazon for $65.00. For those who are not afraid of risk, you might find a Thunderbolt 1 or 2 docking station somewhere for around $30 and it might work. The docking station has to have this Thunderbolt connector that is physically the same plug as USB-C, to connect to your Librem 5. But you also want a second, similar looking plug (USB-C) power only input to the docking station that says “PD”. That is a USB-C charging- only port. When you plug the Librem 5 into the Thunderbolt 3, Gen 2 Port and a 65 Watt or more USB charging plug in to the PD port of your docking station, amazing things happen. The Librem 5 is happy, the Librem 5 battery charges while using the Librem 5 as you do your work, nothing anywhere heats up, and the display gives a very high resolution. And of course, the keyboard and mouse work normally.

I just didn’t think that Purism steered everyone right on the convergence options. Hopefully this information is helpful to someone.

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I’ve never seen that info, so many thanks.

But brand and model, please.

The one on Amazon for $65 wasn’t what it seemed at first. So I just now bought this other one instead for $43.

I couldn’t find the Gen 2 on this one. So some risk is involved with this one if the goal is compatability with your Librem 5. This one seems more like it’s intended to be a dual Mac/Windows docking device. All of the others that say Thunderbolt 3 Gen 2 seem to be Lenovo brand. But if the manufacturer of this one is honest, it might work.

The exact dock that matches the one I have that works well (but that belongs to my employer), is a Lenovo dock with Thunderbolt 3 Gen 2 and retails for $187. If the one above doesn’t work for my Librem 5, I’ll probably throw it away and buy the more expensive Lenovo one.

I have a ten switch box in my home office that shares keyboard, mouse, and two 4K monitors with up to 10 different computers. Using the Lenovo selection (meant for connection to my work laptop there), I was able to switch to that dedicated dock station that has only the Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) connector as an output. I plugged it in to my Librem 5 and everything worked. But none of the less expensive docks have worked that way so far.

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I’ve got four cheap random USB-C hubs with DisplayPort alt-mode from the local equivalent of eBay and all of them work fine with the Librem 5, including charging, although one of them requires external power to be plugged in first as it keeps power cycling otherwise.

Thunderbolt docks will only work if they’re able to fallback to DisplayPort alt-mode. Thunderbolt 4/5 and USB 4 docks should generally be able to; whether a Thunderbolt 3 dock can do that is not a given (I have one too and it can’t). Thunderbolt 1 and 2 aren’t relevant as they don’t use USB-C.

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Please send us the model number on those four random models that you have and that work with the Librem 5.

My experience is that most docks won’t work unless you spend more money to get a much larger dock full of various different types of ports and features that you won’t use for just the Librem 5, and thus at a higher price.

I will use my Librem 5 with the NextDoc I bought off Purism’s website in 2023 (when I got the phone). For full “desktop mode”, I hook it to a Dell 34" monitor, tons of space :slight_smile: For the adapter I use an old Hoyoki dock that I bought years ago.

They’ve been listed for years at dp-alt-mode-adapters.org · master · Librem5 / fw / firmware-tps6598x-nonfree · GitLab, but it’s probably not very helpful with those particular devices as they’re really cheap random locally rebranded chinesium that usually don’t get their model numbers advertised in store listings.

And this just doesn’t match my experience, so if I were you I’d rather spend time on figuring out what’s wrong than on buying yet another dock.

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But there are two published solutions.

  • USB-C Hub (Purism shop $54)
  • lapdock

Use the solution that works for you. Evidently for you it is the former.

For sure, Purism has had problems keeping them both in stock (and the make of hub has changed over the years).

Some people from time to time have mused that it would be nice if the Librem 14 could, when asked to do so, act as the dock for the Librem 5 i.e. a laptop that temporarily becomes a lapdock. So there would be no need for a separate lapdock but you could get lapdock functionality when you need it.

I think the main scenario where you want to use a lapdock instead of a laptop would be that there is data on the phone that you are working with and that data is not on the laptop. I’m sure that can be worked around using either a cloud solution or a local network. (The typical customer may prefer the latter since cloud is inherently dodgy unless you are in control of it.)

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Has anyone been able to make the Pinephone 64 convergence dock work properly with L5?

I used that same adapter. It has worked well for several years now.

I managed to upgrade to Crimson without too much fuss. I can still use my Librem 5 in docked mode, but it’s a little more difficult to use the Settings | Display to turn that on compared to the old display settings screen.

I find to get what I’m after I have to turn off the Librem 5 display and say I want to use my monitor as the one and only display. Otherwise, I get nothing but a white screen on my monitor.

Think I’ve got the dance of the docking station down now.