Does WiFi/Mobile/BT Receive During Sleep Mode?

Recently, L5 WiFi decided to take a sleep when the L5 sleeps. That can be triggered by screen/power saver goes blank, or when I quickly press and release the top right button (sleep mode?).

While L5 is sleeping, and I quickly press and release top right button I can watch as the WiFi goes from off to all bars white.

If a text is sent to L5, while in sleep mode, does something like the incoming text signal wake WiFi and then WiFi receives the text and goes back to sleep?

Does this also apply to Mobile and Bluetooth?

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First of all, Wifi does not receive texts unless you have a matrix or xmpp account set up.

If your device is suspended (whick it seems to be in your case) then no, Wifi does not receive.

Bluetooth is on the same chip as the Wifi so if the phone is on suspend mode then no.
Mobile is on a different chip and it does receive texts and call while suspended, but not Mobile Data.
Does that answer your question?

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You’ve got a couple of things happening there.

SMS/text messages go via the modem, not wifi, and they stay on your ISP’s server for a while until the device which they are intended can and has received them (for how long they may wait there for that to happen depends on service but my experience has been about upto three days before being trashed - can be less). So, those will arrive, when the modem is awake and connected to network.

If the phone is set to go to suspend mode (from Settings → Power), Wifi goes to suspend mode too and stops/disconnects to save power. There are steps to saving power (which you can select at setitngs), starting with screen dimming after a set period of inactivity (screen takes a lot of power) and screen shutting down (goes to black), but those do not affect the modem. So called “sleep mode” isn’t a term that is used but from phone behavior, the suspension would be closer to it than just energy saving from screen dim and blanking. What suspension also does, is it also shuts down CPU (so nothing is doing anything, even in the background), except (if I remember this right and can simplify it) there is are tiny periodic momentary wakeups to check if modem (phone) or something else needs to come back online (like get SMSs).

This is to say, what you may see from the icons may not be the card shutting down but rather fluctuations in connectivity (as in, wifi not having stable signal to router, maybe die to interference or being moved etc.) or something else than shutting down (powering off, going to suspension, going to sleep). That being said, wifi should also try to go to some lesser state of activity if there is no data to transfer, just to same power - it’s not supposed to keep constant data flow if there is no need for it - and come right back when it’s needed again (which may cause a slight reactivation lag, which is normal). Bluetooth, since it’s on the same card, pretty much behaves according to to the same power saving rules, except it’s more efficient. I don’t think there are setting available (or even possible) to have wifi or BT activate and wake the phone up when they are set to suspend.

From the forum you can find some advice where you can tweak some of these parameters for power, suspend, wifi, modem etc. (if really needed). But, depending on your settings, that power button push either wakes up the screen (if it’s dimmed/blanked) and doesn’t effect the modem or wifi, or it wakes the phone from suspend - check your setting what you have selected it to do (suspend can be selected separately for when being only on battery and when it’s plugged to a power source).

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Do Andoids Dream of Electric Sheep?

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Seems like CPU would be executing unauthorized microcode in some random memory event, if that were the case - it shouldn’t happen in suspension mode :robot:

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OK. I did a cold boot. I did have Mobile and WiFi switched On. In Settings > Power I switched both off.
Then did a cold boot again.

At login I noted WiFi was off. I went to Power > and noted that both were back to being On (saving) and switched them Off again, another Cold Boot.

And when I checked again,Settings > Power and both Mobile and WiFi were switched back on.

Ergo, it seems turning both WiFi and Mobile back on doesn’t stick.

turn-cell-wifi-on-manually

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I may turn WiFi off, but it doesn’t stick.

~s

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It is shame the posh ui-ux desing and sentence of course. = (

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This was meant to point towards Settings app :gear: (not the top slide, as in the screen grab), where in the list there is a Power tab, where there is a setting for switching suspend (Automatic Suspend: on battery, and when plugged in, and their delays). That will determine if the suspension activates after a period of inactivity, taking the device to “deeper sleep” (from where it needs to be woken up with power button press, or by a call). After waking up, everything should resume as it was - connections and all (suspend does not set software switches to off). Unfortunately I can’t show you a screengrab of that settings tab as I have the backports version, which looks a bit different than normal byzantium.

Those software switches are just on/off switches for wifi (and BT, and mobile data). I’ve noticed some irregular behavior there too sometimes, on when they stay off or not - they sometimes seem to default to on (I’d prefer default to be off, and haven’t been able to find a setting - or reason - for this happening sometimes).

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Yeah I did the same thing when I first started :laughing: Those switches in Settings --> Power just flip the switches in the top bar. They don’t put it into ‘power save mode’ except that they turn off their respective cards.

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Just to be clear, you mean Settings → Wi-Fi (and Bluetooth etc.). The power settings don’t have those switches.

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Not sure who you are asking, but I open Settings, scroll down to Power and that’s the Power stuff in screen cap.
I just realized that my other screen cap is missing from here.
The black screencap is pointing to where I have to tap each to turn them back on.

Well, try again:


The one above are the 2 that I turn off, but after the L5 has gone black to not in user, they are back on again.

I thought in the white screen cap I could make the L5 sleep and hence my topic question. Will it wake from sleep.

I get the impression that because micro$oft uses “Sleep Mode”, the L5 can’t use the words ‘Sleep mode’ which make it even harder to know if the L5 sleeps, hibernates, or just catatonic. The screen dims sometimes, but I gather it’s not really sleep because?

We need a moticon that has a shaking head in disbelief. For now :woozy_face: will do.
~s

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Ah, perfect, thanks for getting the screengrab (it’s different to what I remembered), this helps. It’s inconvenient that those are not named differently (like “Wi-Fi power save”, to differentiate them from the on/off software switches which are in the top slide and in the respective setting tabs). I feel like this was a round of Charades or Alias game :woozy_face:

Yes, those two that you have the arrow, will shut down your wifi and mobile data connections if there is no traffic. Yes, if those bother you, you can switch them off (caveat being the power consumption). Interestingly, those switches aren’t available in latest version of Settings (in byz backports). And yes, the software on/off switches in the top slide (the black earlier screengrab) are the ones that enables them again (since they get set to off by the inactivity). And on the new settings screengrab you also have the automatic suspension and the screen dimming and blancking. And for unknown reasons, there is a suspension switch separately in the Mobile Settings app too.

Yes, M$ (and others) using marketing language does convolute things but it’s also that different OSs use different languages for features which are not 100% symmetric/same.

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Perhaps not to be confused with actual WiFi power-save mode - where the WiFi device manages its own power-saving activities (and must at least therefore remain minimally powered) but wakes up every beacon interval (default approx. every 100 ms) to see whether anything needs to be transmitted to it.

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Those are just on/off switches, they don’t turn on power save mode. However, they do save power by turning them off