EU agreed to "ban" encryption

(Speakong from the US) Nobody can do this, automatic weapons are largely illegal (unless you pay a lot of money in taxes). Also I legally own two guns and have not had to acquire any licenses.

Lack of insurance does not mean a lack of liability, it just means the owner of the car has to come up with the money versus some company. Also, not a license.

Arguably, you would be punished fairly when the victims and families of the victims of your crimes catch up with you and visit upon you the same violence you visited upon them.

At any rate, conjecture like this (yours and mine) requires making an assumption about the behavior of a society at large, something we can’t accurately do. But we’ve illustrated part of the gamut one could run doing so.

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gotta check back in … 2-4 … 5? whatever days, or more, if i count with the unknown and my incoming emails and the like (228 threads now to read, nasty firefox issues and xmus held me up)…

btw a forked topic in a form like “new topic (was: eu …)”, with two links to connect the topics can be fine to me, as one, but i really like the brainstorming here, and i didnt know the lenght of the semi-off-topic ahead of time, so i didnt initiate it, but i guess it didnt kill the thread, and it is related enough, while an own thread wouldnt make that less of a hot topic, and i plan to replay already to a bunch of things… :smiley:

btw/2 lets play it! im in! i will live the same stuff, but i wont care about nonsense and i will use my words to rise or to fail, to oppose with anything but truth, with full responsibility, arisen head, and i dare to face with any1, and to be a martyr, in that case. if i know anything serious about God, then i got the green lamp to do so, not even today, but whatever, if im plain crazy, then it will be a pleasure to live my imaginary role to bring a better world, at least i will try! wish me good luck dear fellas, i will need it! :smiley:

happy new year every1, with a long afterparty and all the earthly goods! :slight_smile:
boldog új évet mindenkinek, hosszú afterparty-val és minden földi jóval! :slight_smile:

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nah, bro’ they’ve taken all the still remaining earthly goods for themselves and left us the scraps … that’s why there’s so much dis-ease, stress and mind-zuck-ing going on … Happy New Fear 2021 !!!

Well in WhatApp, to a lesser extend Signal it can be lifted by adding a hidden (non-shown member) to a group.
so then it can be lifted by using the hidden members account.
There can even be a whole bunch of hidden members (f.e. one for each “secret” service that wants to monitor).

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That works for group communication but does it work for communication between two people?

I suppose it works for two people if two people communicating is always treated as a group of two. However all this really means is that E2EE hasn’t been implemented properly. With proper E2EE the two parties negotiate the necessary keys and no other party has those keys.

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You can do this through the mail, on a phone and if determined enough probably through carrier pigeon.

or, I know it’s a bit old-fashioned, you can do it face-to-face.

gasmask to gasmask

That wouldn’t arouse suspicion. :rofl:

you know that’s actually pretty funny. in a very SAD way …
if i try asking something important with the mask on, then whoever i’m speaking to has a really tough time concentrating to give the proper answer … it’s like seeing my mouth move has a significant importance on how people understand speech :sweat_smile:
but yeah ! with the mask on a pretty significant part of the human anatomy is removed which says TONS about offline ‘communication’ …

Let’s get back on the topic, shall we?

EU agreed to “ban” encryption

That’s sad.

Make a domain.

Domain from where people could send open letter to goverment about encryption.

Withou encryption, the computers are utterly hackable and unsecurable. There must be signatures and encrypted package to maintain control structures of update and communication network.

Contact me, I’ll writte open letter, you create domain which can send mail to friends.

Here, by PM

I propose the domain ZNY

The reason is historically funny going back to the 1950s.

Look up “ACP131 operating signals” there will be some sort of PDF.

(ZNA would also work.)

QAK-Is there any risk of collision?
QAK, that’s sound, that ducks made for their anti collision system. It’s pinnacle of understanding of signal interpretation.

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Glad you liked it!

Blacks Law only works if the government accepts it. In Canada, they don’t. Many have tried dodging taxes, drivers license, and a fellow I know bought a whole bunch of computer stuff, and charged it to the Bank of Canada, and it worked, that once. Blacks Law only help people quote a section of old law, and nothing more.

All a quote from that does is waste 5 minutes of the court’s time and court continues without it. A solution might be to elect the right people and change the laws, not force the issue through the courts because the courts have what Black Law aficionados don’t have - a non-Blacks Law government that is backed by it’s own military, police, and best paid lawyers in the country.

Just say’n s’all,
~s~

EU is gathering feedback (as in, well formed arguments, not internet yelling, I think) about this, so make yourselves heard - and spread the word: European Commission - Have your say if you don’t want it (open untill 18 June).



And if you need background...

… some similar conversations with good points already made on this, here’s a gathering of some of these threads:

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Does the ban include phones used by those politicians that ban encryption, as well as police, military and ilk?
I’ll wager, govt are not included in the ban.
~s

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Wonder how bank to bank financial transmissions will get done?

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Financial transactions will still get done “securely” i.e. the government will be able to snoop on and potentially alter the transaction. Just a prediction of course.

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