EU agreed to "ban" encryption

let’s rehearse it again then shall we … there is government and then there is ‘gov.’

Y’All comprehend that any statute act, code, rule, regulation etc applies to the living wo/man on the land only to the extent the wo/man consents to such legislation?

This is the difference between legal and law. Consent. If you’re not a cyborg but made of flesh and blood you have only the common law to abide by. Forget about the ficticious “legal” world wo/man who call themselves “the government” have created to “rule” over other living and breathing men and women.

Check out this easy to follow explanation of common law, the law of the land and forget your troubles with all sorts of legislation. Freedom starts in the mind!

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If companies who “choose” to be affected by this (hypothetical future) law are sitting between you and the party with whom you are communicating then it is academic whether you “consent”.

So if, hypothetically, your ISP blocks all VPNs - because we all know that VPNs are only used by criminals - then that impacts you and that applies to you whether you “consent” or not.

Beyond that, I don’t think your argument will work in practice i.e. you can make it from your jail cell. Consent works both ways i.e. if your government doesn’t consent to your argument then they will put you in jail.

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Ironically, the process described here is the basis of democratic representation. You elect Representatives to act on your behalf, and they all cooperate in what’s known as a “government” (technically a branch therein, but you get the gist).

Also, “will of the people,” not “will of the person.” You’re within your rights to disagree with everybody else (who, by extension of their Representatives, have created these laws), but your only real options are to A) effect the election of Representatives who are more like-minded relative to you or B) move.

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I think this has got into the recent fantasy of “sovereign citizen” which gets as far as the handcuffs the cops can put on you. As can attested by a few police videos of stopped motorists trying to pull that trick.

And people are too young to remember an active draft. At least those who tried to avoid it were honest and fled to Canada or pleaded “conscientious objector” instead of playing that game.

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Yup. It’s how they been doing it since forever: infiltration of the organisation in question.

Backdoors and mass spying are attempts at protecting our Western way of life by destroying our Western way of life. We’ve known this ever since 9/11, but yet, here we are…

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any military-intelligence apparatus has the ability to embed assets in whatever institution it needs to monitor. it can monitor both directly and indirectly.

do we really know what our ISPs are doing ? or even who looks at the exit nodes of VPN services etc ?

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DNS, GSM, LTE, Landline, … one can go on forever with these leaky pieces of cheese under the hood :wink:

Letters uses to be a good thing, once. But ever since moving from direct, personal word of mouth we saw being more and more tracked und listened to - mostly without noticing first und later even accepting it most of the time once we got to know.

We’re smart beings… :wink: :wink: :wink:

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You’re all free to argue for your limitations. Government and state forms (e.g. democracy) are illusions we’ve all subscribed to as we’ve been taught, nobody being blamed here. Ever seen who pulls the strings of any and every MP? Exactly, lobbyists of corporations. So while y’all are most welcome to hang on to the old believes, which are comfortable cos familiar, you might wish to ponder who acts in reality. Ever seen a private or government corporation acting (look up your local town or tax authority on Dun and Bradstreet)? Has it hands? Or is it the hands of a man or woman trespassing on your property, your body (handcuffs), your house, your son, your daughter? We’re all so free that we can choose bondage. Some prefer to continue to live in the legal fiction that other men and women have crafted. Nothing to do with the law that i set for the property of i. Nothing to do with sovereignty either which is just another ficticious creation. Those who feel their fear and face it allow freedom to fill that space. From that solutions open up. Such as doing business with real men and women instead of with corporations. Cheerio and happy sailing in the world of legal fiction!

I’m not arguing for those limitations. I am just telling you what will happen in practice.

Exactly. You’re telling yourself and hence, argue for your limitations. My reality is very different to yours :slight_smile:

if encryption falls it’s time to oil and clean that AR right ?

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:perhaps add a little of Musk’s Transhumanism? Encryption don’t matter to cyborgs they’ll happily share ever after :joy:

Well it doesn’t necessarily have to be hyphenated with “military-”, any intelligence apparatus will do.

Or AK. Or even better an M2!

yeah but the thing is that it’s always FIRST implemented in the military … there are plenty of books and documents that make a case …

Never say always, OSS was not military per se in WWII and they did some things first.

okay but i wasn’t born in the WWII era. more like the Chernobyl era :sweat_smile:

The field manual still works. Free download:

http://www.simplesabotage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Original-Manual.pdf

The publishers recently did a modern work based on pages 28-30, i.e.:

Insist on doing everything through channels.
Make speeches. Talk as frequently as possible and at great length.
Refer all matters to committees.
Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.
Haggle over precise wordings of communications.
Refer back to matters already decided upon and attempt to question the advisability of that decision.
Advocate caution and urge fellow-conferees to avoid haste that might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.
Be worried about the propriety of any decision.

Just to let you know: EU representatives accepted the proposal today against a really big wave of criticism coming from all sides.

Just my 2 cents: They don’t give a shit.

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