Expected available, non-default apps?

Are there any pages or lists of apps that won’t be default on the phone but are expected to be available? Is there any way to browse the store yet before the grand opening?

Most of what I really need in a phone will be there (calling, texting, email), but I’m curious what else I’ll be able to do at release (or soon after).

My biggest needs will be a OTP/2FA app, and something to read my KeePass DB. (Synching said DB would be great, but not absolutely necessary.) These were asked about/discussed over a year ago, but I haven’t seen anything since.

My biggest fun-app wish is Pathos (a modern, NetHack clone fork designed for phones) which works in Android, iOS and Windows (and Wine), but that’s a long shot.

I eagerly await the phone I contributed to many months ago. :grinning:


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In addition to the “daily” videos, I’d say https://mglapps.frama.io/ gives a good impression of what could work in the near future. But then there might also be some projects by L5 backers that they either mentioned here or in the matrix channel - or never mentioned yet.
I hope we’ll see a lot of cool stuff soon :sunglasses:

Oh nice . Super tux kart is gonna be on here. Gimmie STK and quake II and ill be good !

For OTP/2FA, there are lot of backend solutions for Linux, but not a app:

  1. LinOTP.
  2. onetimepass
  3. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-multi-factor-authentication-for-ssh-on-ubuntu-16-04

Maybe FreeOTP can be forked to work on the Librem 5.

If you look at the Librem 5 repo (https://source.puri.sm/Librem5) and the progress in videos series, it will give you a good idea of what will be available.

Here is what I have found:

  1. Chatty (SMS + XMPP messaging)
  2. Calls
  3. fork of browser GNOME Web
  4. Squeekboard (virtual keyboard)
  5. fork of TinyMail
  6. King’s Cross (kgx) (a minimal adaptive terminal)
  7. Aisleriot (solitaire),
  8. Gedit (plain text editor),
  9. GNOME calculator,
  10. GNOME dictionary,
  11. Evince (PDF/Document viewer),
  12. Xournal (notes),
  13. OpenTTD (clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe game)
  14. Password Safe (password generator),
  15. GNOME Clock,
  16. GNOME Podcasts,
  17. Fragments torrent client,
  18. Drawing (simple drawing program)
  19. Cryptocurrency Tracker
  20. GNOME Contacts,
    (also have kpeoplevcard for KDE Plasma Mobile)
  21. PureOS Store app installer
  22. GNOME Control Center (settings)
  23. fork of GNOME ModemManager
  24. Quake II (3D first person shooter game)
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Will all the apps in the pureOS app store thats on the device work ?

The post about the PureOS Store says that it will contain software for both desktop and mobile devices. Presumably it will show whether an app works in phone, desktop or both modes. Since it has a badge system to show user rights, I assume that it will allow proprietary software, unlike the PureOS repository.

No, of course not. Purism would never do that.
The post indicates that.
PureOS would also lose its FSF endorsement otherwise.


I use oathtool for 2FA on my computer. Maybe this can be built for the L5 as well.

I reread the post and I see that you can interpret the post in two ways. On the one hand, the post says:

Purism is pleased to announce PureOS Store, a secure alternative to proprietary app stores that respects your privacy and freedom.

We want to incentivize developers to create software that meets community values with the ultimate goal of incorporation into PureOS itself.

That would seem to say that proprietary software won’t be allowed. However the post also says:

Correlating “badges” will be utilized to quickly and clearly display the status of a given app, while also reflecting on the software’s freedom, privacy, security, and ethical design.

Why would Purism have a badge for “software’s freedom” if all the software in the repo is free software? I took that to mean that some types of proprietary software would be allowed.

Maybe Purism wants to rate the difference between licenses like BSD, MIT and Apache vs GPL and AGPL in terms of freedom, but that seems strange to me. Maybe Purism wants to rate whether the software is developed in an open manner. For example, AOSP and MySQL may have free licenses, but the code is developed behind closed doors.

Maybe I’m interpreting this wrong, and they will have a general badge for “software’s freedom, privacy, security, and ethical design”, so there isn’t one specifically for “software’s freedom.” It does seem to violate the spirit of Purism’s charter and FSF’s RYF to allow proprietary software in one of its repos.

Hopefully, a Purism employee will clarify what the badge system means and what software will be allowed in the PureOS Store.


I also noticed that, but the only sound explanation is that either the “freedom” field in the badge is always checked (just to make that prominent) or it is used to indicate minor issues that need to be ironed out, like the license is not properly attributed even though the source is verifiably free.

I always assumed the badge concept art to indicate that freedom and privacy are always implied.

Purism is in the unique position of producing a Free and Open-Source Software (FOSS) laptop and smartphone, enabling an entire ecosystem based upon PureOS and our social values.

The values of PureOS Store reflect the values at Purism

They cannot incorporate any proprietary apps there, as that would violate both, the core values of Purism and of the FSF, so they would lose the endorsement that they invested a lot of time and sweat in. There are only a handful of distos with this blessing.
Here’s why Debian is not endorsed and why the same would happen to PureOS.


Hopefully that is the explanation. I fully expect that someone in the community is going to create a non-free repo for the Librem 5 (and some of us will pretend to not use it :slight_smile: ), but there is a big difference between Purism hosting a repo like that, and it existing in an unsanctioned state and being officially discouraged.

The good thing about the Librem 5 being based in Linux is that there are very little proprietary software that I will want to install. In LineageOS, I am constantly finding that there are Android apps that I can’t resist installing, but they simply don’t exist in Linux. For example, decent text-to-speech simply doesn’t exist in Linux and Microsoft is unlikely to make Linux version of Skype for a 5 inch screen, so that non-free repo isn’t going to be nearly as enticing as the Google Play Store for my current phone with LineageOS.

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right ! well RYF certification is untill you start thinkering with what you OWN - after that ofc the RYF drops if you install proprietary stuff on it. it’s not like they can FORCE you to NOT do what you want with YOUR shit - it’s free-software at the beginning - untill it’s NOT. we each have to decide that once we take it out of the box.

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