Has anyone else given up?

Yep, I stopped using it as my daily because of the missed calls and texts. That is unacceptable for a daily driver. I am surprised I put up with it for 2+ years. The end came when I realized I missed an important text about a friend’s cancer diagnosis. That was the last straw.

All that being said, I recently moved to PostmatketOS. What a huge improvement! I highly recommend that anyone who has any interest should try it. You can still support Purism with the monthly payments and/or you could support PostmarketOS. Why not? I also agree that the “splitting the resources” thing is always an ongoing Linux issue. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about that anymore, though.

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Guardrail!

This is not an 2000 Dollar mp3 Player, its the last free Device you have. Like the first writing was because no one else could write or read. In History. Like Summer and Gilgamesh or Bilgarmesch 2700/2600 bc Chr. was.

This is not a phone, its a computer. You need another for mainstream Apps and Co. But there you will have no Privacy. Have programming and know what you do… to enhance your mobile computer Linux Phone and you will be fine.

As suggested, wait for updates behind Crimson. But do not drop our connection.

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Recurring payments are not supported by prepaid gift cards.

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Am I being mocked or not? Sorry, I do not understand this. Either way, my point stands that both PureOS and PostmarketOS are fighting a good fight. I support both but, at the moment, I prefer PMOS because they are actively developing software and I am more than a little frustrated with Purism and their stance as a hardware company. Which I understand as a businessman but not as a user. I could go down a big rabbit-hole with complaining but it is ultimately counterproductive.

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Basically, prepaid gift cards have terms and conditions which state that preauthorized, recurring payments are not permitted, meaning that supporting Purism by using them violates the Cardholder Agreement.

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Be strong to escape from malevolent hypnotism of PMOS.

I hope you will come back to us as before in Gnu Dawn. :sad_but_relieved_face:

Purism

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As a few others have said, I haven’t given up on the L5 as a device. I am close to giving up on Purism as a company. I too am disappointed with their business model of only being a hardware company. I feel they have missed the boat.

My L5 is my daily driver and works reasonably well for basic things. I am running the alpha Crimson, and this has been better for me than Byzantium. I’m contemplating switching to Mobian, or maybe PMOS. For me, calls, text, using it as a computer, etc works fine. Battery life is much better in Crimson than Byzantium. I used to have issues with MMS, that seems to be a bit better with Crimson. Using ProtonVPN has been pretty good for the most part (It doesn’t always recover from suspend cleanly, but then I just close and restart it, and it is fine). With Crimson, I realized there is the better memory management with zram now, so that is making it easier to use Waydroid. So, now, I run that, and it has been really nice. My only reason for using waydroid, is easier access to Protonmail. I don’t have a viable alternative for Proton on the L5.

The main need that is still missing from L5 is viable video calling using the zoom, teams, google meet, etc. I would rather not use them, but my clients use them, so, then for that I rely on grapheneos powered Pixel devices. Frustrating, but I haven’t found any other work around for it.

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It may be possible to connect a USB webcam to the Librem 5 and use Jitsi Meet or other similar open-source software, but I have not tested this configuration myself.

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Good to know. I’ll keep it in mind! Thx!

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I gave up over a year ago, due to missing SMS, poor outgoing audio quality of phone calls (people would constantly complain of my voice quality tho I could hear them just fine), poor battery life, 32 GB memory is too small, and absence of upgrades (up-to-date Phosh anyone?). Development speed of Crimson is unbelievably slow (and I do monthly $$ contributions still). I don’t want to use a beta release of Crimson - I want a production version (I’m tired of all the tweaking and flashing). I switched to GrapheneOS using Fossify apps and a few others. It’s nice to have RCS messaging also.

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Did you also try Signal video calling, with Signal Desktop? I now forgot if I tried that or not.

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Dear @JCS as you can see there are a lot of PureOS Mobile users that have left for zombies systems like Postmarket and Mobian, while others are stuck and dissatisfied with GNU PureOS Mobile old Crimson.

I would like to know if you have the power to accelerate* GNU Dawn for our beloved and unique L5, so that all the users who have left can return and we can all be happy as we were before.

Dear @JCS can you do something wonderfull* for Gnu Dawn for all us and Librem 5?
Please :folded_hands:

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I might have tried it earlier on with byzantium. but, it never worked well for me as I recall. there is still the problem with signal desktop that it needs to have an install on a phone with an android or ios app. So, that still means you have to have one of those devices. Since I have a Pixel, I do run it on there. But, I haven’t tried the signal desktop on L5 for calls though. Since it is already on the Pixel?!

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There’s a community flatpak build of Signal Desktop that works great on L5. You can run the Signal Android app in Waydroid on your PC if you want. There’s also signal cli which I use and it works great.

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@Guardrail I realize that everyone’s needs and use cases are different, but ever since I dropped reliance on legacy unencrypted calls and SMS, I have avoided these issues altogether. I have a data SIM meant for tablets and modems.

I tell people, sorry I have a data SIM and can’t make voice calls or send SMS, but you can contact me on Signal, Delta Chat, Matrix, XMPP, etc. and so far, no one has pushed back, unlike the time I would cite freedom and privacy reasons. All four support calling now.

Almost my entire extended family, in-laws and some friends are on these apps/protocols now (excluding XMPP).

Maybe the real issue here isn’t what small companies like Purism can do, but our reliance on these telecom cartels and proprietary legacy protocols.

Btw, I’m using postmarketOS (phosh/stable). PureOS is great but it will always lag far behind as long as it’s based on Debian Stable.

You may also choose to additionally donate to the Phosh project where a lot of the development occurs and it will benefit the entire Linux mobile ecosystem, including PureOS and L5:

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OldOldStable:

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I understand the desire for Dawn, but this issue:

is the biggest issue i have, (and suspect many others have and had), daily driving the L5. @JCS my wish is for Purism to follow through with earlier statement of working on Calls after the release of Crimson.

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Gnu Dawn ship tons of fixes and improvements overall, so i think it ship improvements in Calls as Dawn ship pipewire, pipewire is for mobile which Pulseaudio do not. So using Pipewire on L5 will save battery and temperature and cpu.

Yes it is bad news that @Zimmy it not happy on L5.

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No. I believe they were pointing out that one’s phone is not the only privacy issue that one might need to address. Payment systems can be far more invasive. Understanding this might cause one to utilize prepaid gift cards for a subset of payments. It turns out that recurring payments (like your suggestion of supporting Purism with monthly payments) can not be made with a prepaid gift card.

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Regarding poor audio quality, see: L5 call audio quality - #86 by dos

Maybe there should be a option in Mobile Settings to reset the audio that way, to make it easy for regular users. I do not know how it happens, but I have the impression that audio sometimes degrades, and that the linked method fixes it. I’m not 100% sure though because sound issues are not very reproducible for me.

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