List itemTurned L5 on, saw message that there were updates.
Logged in from the mode sleep, pause whatever just pressing the power button once.
Pulled message area down. No more update message -anywhere.
Searched internet and tried the Open PureOS Store, and opened OS Updates" after 12 minutes, another message “No update description available”.
Moved down to “Update All”. for FFmpeg extension with extra codecs, Mesa and Mesa EXTRA).
Clicked update all.
“Checking…” "Loading Update… + “This could take a while.”
Please, define “a while”.
After 14 minutes “Checking…” hangs for 15 seconds" screen changes to OS Update available" + “Download” shows for about 12 seconds and returns to the “Checking… " + “Loading updates” + This could take a while” then it goes back to Step 5 above.
“Installed” at the top of the screen has same sort of meltdown - it just puts up a screen with program names and closes then open again doing the same.
In researching these - issues - I see that security and updates.upgrades reached EOL in August. Today when turning on L5, there were update/grade messages that snuck through the EOL. Long line EOLs.
AI recommended this:
Open the Terminal app on your Librem 5.
Run the package update command:
bash - sudo apt update
Use code with caution.
There was a long list then the error or more like nonconforming.
SUMMARY:
I just wanted to fix the camera, but one thing led to another.
Is there a way to get the updates, or is it not possible now that there is no support for my L5.
And why would EOL stuff still show updates available?
That EOL only applies if you haven’t upgraded from byzantium (PureOS 10) yet. But I think any waiting updates from before EOL of byzantium should still be there for you to download.
Can you run sudo apt update again, and if there are any updates found, run sudo apt upgrade, and if there are any errors, post them here in the forum. (The sudo apt upgrade command only upgrades packages, not the operating system.)
Sometimes i do the terminal and apt update and apt upgrade call.. however. The download and update from Pureos Store have sometimes issues and hang and will only progress after a reboot and check for updates to download again…
I have no End Of Live updates suggested. But likely because i done some reboot before.
Edit: However in times of security updates with zero day exploit patches i thing you have to apply this update as soon as possible.
Caution though. I think that I am right in saying that you can’t upgrade to crimson unless you are fully up to date with byzantium. So if Sharon is still on byzantium then these updates will have to be successfully applied.
Good point. Here’s hoping that a thorough update of @Sharon 's byzantium system will fix some or all of the problems and enable her to upgrade to crimson, rather than have to reflash (and thus lose settings and installed apps). If she is still on byzantium, I mean.
and a lot went on - too long to copy & paste. But when all was done, I ran sudo apt upgrade again and result is:
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libatomicl
*Use ‘sudo apt autoremove’ too remove it.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
*I have not done the ‘remove’ until somebody says I should. Not sure what comes next.
That’s a standard message in apt ( APT (software) - Wikipedia ). Usually it means some application was using a certain package, but now it either doesn’t need it anymore or the original packabe isn’t installed anymore. It’s safe to remove it.
Exception (a personal habit):
If I get that message for an older linux image/kernel after I have just updated to a newer linux image/kernel, I usually keep it for a few days until I see that there are no issues with the new kernel. Maybe I’m a little paranoid about it. (I set my old kernels to be cleared automatically anyway, keeping the latest two installed to avoid problems, so I don’t really need to remove it manually.)
Without specific knowledge of the implementation, there is no way to know for sure whether it is appropriate or inappropriate to remove a package - and I would include myself in that (I haven’t looked at the sources and I don’t know what the dependencies are between packages).
So the safest course of action for a general package is to leave it for a few days in case you suddenly see a rash of reports in this forum about some package being autoremoved when it shouldn’t be. In the absence of such reports, you have to assume that the metadata on all the packages is correct and that apt knows what it is doing - and knows better than we do!
The other defence that you have against removing something that you shouldn’t have removed is … backup.
Example where it is a no-brainer:
Five minutes ago you installed package X.
You saw in the messages that installing package X requires and automatically actioned the installation of package Y.
You have now done what you needed to do with X and/or package X doesn’t actually do whatever it is that you were trying to do.
So you are now uninstalling package X.
I would expect you to get the “autoremove” message about package Y.
It is highly safe to autoremove package Y.
However that is very much the easy case.
Example where it might look suspicious:
It is recommending that you autoremove something that looks like the root of everything e.g. the current running kernel or e.g. a core GNOME package. However I recognise that that is a judgement call that comes from experience, usually bitter.
Aside: Since you absolutely should next be upgrading from byzantium to crimson, I would consider it highly desirable if not essential to have done the autoremove before attempting that upgrade.
Quite apart from the upgrade, you do really need to use autoremove from time to time, when apt suggests it, given the limited disk space available. Otherwise over the years your device will accumulate masses of unnecessary crap and the disk will become unproductively more and more full.
You should have some backup and some password manager and second …. device security for authentication too.
Because it will be likely that you can lost everything in near future too. And you will have working, not A.I. access able offline backups for that systems too.
But Updates for valid online exposed information or systems… you should have updated just in time.
If you can, build and sync some offline LLM System asap.
Edit: Even if you are just some A.I. buy some L5 and use Computers and free software. Stay yourself offline and independent as long as you impact the now.
