You pack up unrelated things in yout choices. What about this:
Get the shots and enjoy your passport.
Get the shots (because you want this crisis to end perhaps, or maybe you prosaically care about the health of yourself and others) and protest passports
If there are paper passports, use those but protest digital ones
Resist not like a lion but like someone who wants to reach the least bad outcome
Resist like a donkey and self-immolate when you can’t reach your goals
There is no need to split society into 2 parts. That only creates more of the lamentable “us against them” mentality. And you’re guilty of that by painting “us” as the virtuous ones, and “them” as the weak ones right here:
So no, that’s a false picture. There are more ways.
EDIT:
The article doesn’t make any connection with any vaccine, and you neglect to make that connection. I’m afraid your “vaccine modifies DNA” statement is still false. I do appreciate the effort.
The answer is obvious - no one can force you as a private person to buy some thing to prove anything. Pay service fee - yes, but buy an asset - I don’t think any legislature in any state can do that. You can be strongly advised to do so for a sake of convenience but still there must be a paper and pen front door process.
I have a passport, it confirms my identity. I don’t need to confirm anything else. If they want passport fraud - they can introduce Yet Another Passport. Otherwise they can just build database of vaccination and map it to identity. And let they then prove its compliance to gdpr and medical confidentiality problem on a global level - if at least to demonstrate how ridiculous and useless they are.
Ok, this was on-topic, now regarding off-topic - please keep to your rules as well. Thanks.
There have been the yellow immunization passports before. There was no split of the society before. The yellow immunization passport will still be valid. In Germany a vaccination is not mandatory and the ethic discussion of privileges after vaccination was openly done also with an ethics committee resulting that there should be none imposed by the state.
However there are still use cases to use such a immunization passport.
Other states (Vacation, business travel)
Private sector (like offering hotel or restaurants where everyone is vaccinated as a special service)
A doctor wanting to know how to treat you.
We also have to be clear that even in case of discrimination (which is per definition not a bad word) this is by no means apartheid. Everyone has the possibility to vaccinate themselves while someone born with a trait cannot change this. As the state will not discriminate and the private sector has the freedom of contract I see no problem with the passport. You are discriminated for other things to under freedom of contract. Like a special offer in a store if you check out with a special company partner or a customer card (where they track you) - that’s also not apartheid but freedom of contract.
I also see no problem digitizing this passport as long it’s done correct and not leads to uncontrolled surveillance or security holes. Open sourcing the software used, is the way I want this to go. Blocking even this approach would mean rejecting technological progress which will ultimately fail.
I personally hope that this approach could replace the yellow booklet, as the current solution is endangered by physical loss / destruction of the booklet (I know how I lose track of where I leave my things…) and I prefer an open and secure app to replace this instead of a google or apple service which never officially but by usage of the masses becomes the de facto standard.
True, but the issue here is that Government wants some sort of entity to whom they can go to for software support instead of trying to maintain it themselves (by and large. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I know the US is not one of them). “The community” isn’t good enough because there’s no contract anyone can enforce and thus no guarantee of support. I think if the digital passport comes to be, it’ll be handled by the biggest company with the lowest bid.
Freedom of contract applies in most countries of the world so just say Open Source is mandatory. Look at the “Corona warn app” in Germany, made by SAP and T-Systems and fully Open Source.
EDIT: Related QR Code (my personal immunization pass) prerequisite (to get one) will be exclusively of voluntary nature (almost sure). Meaning (if I’m getting this right?) everyone must, in advance, provide to the authorities folowing:
– your own E-mail address,
– your own Mobile phone number (make sure it is on your name registered one), might (or will) be put into SMS database (your health organization might reach you, border control will recognize you if HKS not off, etc.),
– your permanent address of living,
– your health condition, final destination country where I want to spend my holidays.
Only if someone do not provide above (ASAP, with help of GDPR) he/she might continue to hide from getting , I think (open source pill might not help either). How secure is and who might get into database of immunization/vaccination related medical data records is not of my concern as long as I have my immunization QR Code with me (as said, just my current thought here, help me if I’m lost again).
@dcz, you’re an expert on ‘phone development,’ and such things I gather. Why should anyone listen to your assertions about medicine, ethics, society, etc.?
Do you see the subtlety in my comment there? I just made a comment about everyone here, including myself. I could further point out that reality has no bearing on anyone’s expertise either, but I think I’ve made the point.
Could it be, my comments originate from an entirely different perspective than yours? Perhaps, when those seemingly “unrelated things” are unpacked it might be apparent what I’m saying–despite a lack of tact and precision (text communication) on my part?
Passports though: Again germane to the conversation; could it be the OP is probing the libre community for methods to, in essence, cheat the ‘immunization, passport combine?’ Perhaps in an effort to reveal some secrets we may have in order to countervail said efforts to defeat it? … Do you see the subtlety in what I just said?
I’m glad you’re making this point. People shouldn’t, and they rely on this halo effect too much in my opinion. Nevertheless, one has to start somewhere, and this is where I start, with the scientific expertise I do have.
I do see the subtlety in what you wrote, but if I wanted to address it, we would go off topic again, or recreate the thread we closed once before. I can discuss this in other places.
Sure thing, I see your points. Truly I do.
My general disposition is to try to understand where others are coming from, no matter how ham-fisted, imprecise or false (misled) their comments may appear to me.
Notice for instance how I don’t ninny, label or attack other’s comments–whatsoever really, not outright at least.
Some see the passport/immunization conversation as a technical one. While others, like myself see it as a spiritual/societal one. Some see the conspiratorial view of history, while others see the official view. Who’s right? It’s of course a synthesis, as with anything human … Anyway, enough said from me.
Not really an argument since there are many things anyone can do that we wouldn’t want to discriminate between, such as cutting of a finger as an extreme example. Some religions also do not approve of vaccinations, should we discriminate against those religions? I think it is apartheid if the government splits up the citizens in two groups and give one of them more freedoms. Freedoms everyone should have in a democracy. If your health club wants to only let in vaccinated people, that may be ok, but it should not cost tax payers anything.
Look at the “Corona warn app” in Germany, made by SAP and T-Systems and fully Open Source.
, I think (open source pill might not help either). How secure is and who might get into database of immunization/vaccination related medical data records is not of my concern as long as I have my immunization QR Code with me (as said, just my current thought here, help me if I’m lost again).