Not a very honourable one though.
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Oh ‘cancel’? I just like to see dishonest frauds hoisted on their own petard.
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Sorry, can’t let this one go buy:
If it is ‘fair play’, then it is honorable (very or not).
(No idea what ‘Turnabout’ means btw…)
It means using what your adversary used against you back against them. For a silly example, if I slash your car tire to win a race, it is fair play to do the same to me in another race.
You’re, strictly speaking, right. But if replying in kind is fair play without context, it carries no glory if it means you do the same thing of which you accuse others.
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Now I am the one that cannot let this one go.
So doing to other what you criticize about them is fair play?
You doing to others what you consider unacceptable when is done “by them” to you or someone you support is “acceptable”??
Going “down to the same level that you criticize”. Is that the best that can be done?
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Your keep arguing on strawmen.
Nobody here ever proposed to write another defamatory letter to balance the original defamatory letter (usually karma does already a fantastic job in cases like this). And neither does the sentence you quoted go in that direction, but rather in the opposite direction (“If it is ‘fair play’…”)
And you keep putting words in my mouth.
Did I said that!? Check the half a dozen posts before yours. People were discussing in abstract if doing to others what you complain “they do to you” is “fair play” or not. Tell me where do I mention making another letter?
If you feel affected by my comments about as a general principle “not going down to the same level of what you criticize”, there is not much I can do to help you, sorry.
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I’m not sure how seriously your question was intended but …
The essence of cancel culture is that a person who expresses an opinion that some don’t like is metaphorically beaten into silence, invisibility, unemployment, …
No, I absolutely don’t want to do that to the practitioners of cancel culture. I just want them to stop doing it.
OK, the following analogy isn’t necessarily going to work in the US but: I don’t want to murder murderers. I just want murderers to stop murdering.
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We might say that we will not apply back the cancel culture to who applies the cancel culture, but we do want to cancel the cancel culture…
I call that lynching. Make person unemployed and then they will die the next winter. Yeah, do not join the mob, ever.
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Instead of joining (the mob), what if you’re drafted? Can’t evade the draft in Canada anymore, the roads are blocked.
I was thinking what permanent nickname we could assign to McGovern as a minimal turnabout…
“Neil ‘Cancel’ McGovern” would be my favorite.
“Neil ‘<Ctrl><Alt><Del>’ McGovern” would also be good, if only was not too long (a.k.a. “Neil ‘Control-or-Alternatively-Delete’ McGovern”).
One problem remains, which is that his name is not pronounced so often. But we don’t have to solve that.
The last McGovern I that remember that was canceled died in 2012. I don’t know this “Neil” guy.
@kagixa we allow a lot of stuff in this forum and different opinions. But this forum is not a space to organize for: “minimal turnabout” of anyone. Find another space for that.
Do not make us having to close this thread.
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Nobody “canceled” McGovern, except maybe McGovern himself.
But whoever is sensitive to the topic might want to remind others that this person confidently promoted a malicious “cancel” campaign against someone, and that such campaign even extended to non-involved parties (“projects related to the FSF” – a.k.a. GNU and other projects). Hence why, at least I personally, will call him “Neil ‘Cancel’ McGovern” from now on (if I ever need to call him).
It is only a reminder of what he convincedly stands for; and that the next one he will try to cancel might be you, me, or anyone else.
No worries, it was more like thinking out loud.
I never said “nobody” or “anybody” canceled the other McGovern, I merely said that he “was”, without naming a reason or causal effect.