Librem 5 Fatigue

Hi Steve, you are right about the power of average hardware, but…

You do not need it if you focus on Information an computation at all. The two will have future benefits of Hardware development, sure. But they will try to leak every sensor data you leak in you daily present and sell it against you. With the purism free and open source hardware you have the chance to calculate stuff by yourself or with a powerful computer on the internet by yourself. If the hardware leak power, you will be free to set up a powerful one on the internet for your access and program and shift that computation from your phone to your external trusted hardware or cloud.

So… to have privacy is nothing that the others will offer cause they are earn much money from sell your data… and no i do not trust pixel hardware, even if someone else they its the best Android you can get with free and open source Android software (graphen.os).
The Librem5 have hardware switches(!). Even if you do not trust the software on you phone… and with A.I. compiling and influence humans… to do so. Think this is the best you can get.

But now the good angle inside told me to trust humans and developers with open source in the first place.

I remember thinking a few months ago, when there was talk of Google’s DRM of internet access, that the only space left for privacy users would be the Dark Web. What does that say about society where that’s the only free space left?

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Its a fake Sarcasmo220, cause you can watch (without camera) or Internet Device watching you or a WLAN device which tracking your Body movements… and talk about Online Stuff too, and share or watching movies or read Text without the knowledge of internet right now. Its not likely for 99%, just they do not know about it… but it is possible.

Or, in other words, if you can’t make it work the way it should work, make it an invite-only club for the connoisseurs.

http://www.fallacydetective.com/news/read/snob-appeal

You’re making a fallacious argument that it’s either “FREEDOM” or usability/accessibility, while in reality those two should not be mutually exclusive.

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Power has many metrics and dimensions. Not all requirements are equal either.
Depending on the context, almost none of us knows what they’re doing most of the time. Please let’s embrace that we’re a diverse bunch with different needs, all of which are valid.

We’re all being consumers, almost 100% of the time.

I’ve made 1k+ contributions to open-source projects in 2023 alone. I’ve contributed code to mainline Linux, like several other forum members have. Yet, I enjoy watching the occasional live stream or movie, which makes me a consumer.

So, is the L5 powerful enough to fit my needs? For most purposes, yes, definitely. Is it enough for daily driving in 2023? Maybe not just yet. There’s still work to do, expectations to manage, and feelings of frustration to cope with.

Yet most EU-based banks don’t allow general-purpose Linux devices as a 2FA device, and aren’t planning to do so anytime soon. Which means you don’t get to do bank transactions unless you also own (and maintain) an unmodified, trusted iOS/Android phone.

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I marked your post as a troll and spam.

Some aspects of that trolling:

And spam:

Please revisit the Forum FAQ regarding your conduct. FAQ - Purism community . Especially:

Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree

You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it, and that’s fine. Healthy debate is beneficial to expose alternative viewpoints and avoid operating in an echo chamber. But remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:

  • Name-calling
  • Ad hominem attacks
  • Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content
  • Knee-jerk contradiction

Instead, provide reasoned counter-arguments that improve the conversation. Especially when making bold claims or accusations, support your viewpoint with facts, citing references when possible.

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To be fair, among the packages with a GUI, how many of them are adaptive? (so that they are actually usable on the Librem 5 screen). In my opinion, this is a work-in-progress.

The reality is that most Linux users will never use most Linux packages - just as most Android / iPhone users will never use most of the apps that are available in their respective prisons.

To the average user, sheer numbers of apps is not important. What is important is whether the modest number of specific apps that that user wants can actually be used. Hence the griping about banking in the EU (or, in my country, use of specific government apps). My longer term answer for that will be something like Waydroid.

I support what Purism is doing, and open source in general. I am prepared to be patient.

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Sarcasm, hyperbole and pointed humor are reasoned responses. Why would you assume his post is anything more? Assuming the worst in people – especially those you disagree with – is no way to be “agreeable”. Neither is hiding someone’s post, then extensively quoting them.

Freedom is why we are here and we buy Purism products, but it extends beyond tech and software to everything that makes us human.

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Because it isn’t humor, sarcasm, or hyperbole. They frequently personally attack the person they are replying to. Their post is obviously a violation of the forum code of conduct. A hint is how frequently they say “people like you” … it always precedes a tribal and personal attack.

And apparently they replied to me and it was flagged as inappropriate too. I can’t see it, but I’ve interacted with them before and trust that it was also a toxic response.

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Maybe some Server-based-Waydroid (to solve the Energy issue) which will only share pictures, streams or important information as the resulted of the interaction with respect of privacy. And as Arguments to run that application you have to add some Attributes, like position, User-ID and so on. This could bake down the marked to a important shift to privacy, but will never rise up, cause the Data is what runs the energy wheel not the wanted (by user) Information, Service and so on. Its like Webpages with Tor-Browsers and Addblocker, for Companies who try to give away information not for free. On the other side i hope we will put some or more money over for not being information-slaughtered. There is no easy answer still, and its an ongoing fight.

To you Quote, The Long answer is, that there is no future for Librem5 nor Android and Iphone. We will see a Shift in near future where neural Data will be collected by earplugs or hair circlets and stimulate impressions to the brain as down link, like you have a conversation to your self and or a phone call of thoughts and notes by others. Not sure if a synthetic AI, or a self trained one will be the way how you interact with computers - but this is the way we will go for it for sure in 2040.

Hope for us Nerds that our Librem 5 or 6 will still exist and supported and i think that we are in that future some Grandparents which use a the good old energy hungry hardware.

However, Linux and free Software will be excellent in that time because that is what the community can do at its best. On every Windows Computer there will be a faster running up to Date Linux System in the future with more and the best software. So it will rush on the Phones for sure. Hope that the A.I. Impact plus Community control can rush the software created for Smartphones without loosing privacy.

Loved to see what purism and the Linux Community had done in the last 12 Month, its a nice looking forward to the next stabilized breach.

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Definitely. Wasn’t going to run it on my phone.

In order to operate a free device, you need a free place within which to run it. The general internet is a place full of predators. Too many of those predators are large corporate entities. Someone needs to start a separate internet space that automatically detects and routinely blocks and disables the predators. Perhaps a first violation of either privacy or advertising might result in a pc being kicked out of the entire space. To get re-admitted, the pc owner may have to agree to Terms of Service that restricts their behavior. Big companies like Google and Microsoft could be forced to behave themselves while in that space, no snooping, tracking, nor advertising, or else out they go.

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That’s one model.

A different model is one where predators are by law forced to respect one regular internet user’s choice not to be preyed upon.

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I’m using FF for online-banking on Librem5. 2FA is done via bank cart and TAN-device. It has even more benefits: You can’t use your phone for transactions AND 2FA. Transaction-device has to be something different than 2nd-factor-device. So this way is one of the few ways to do mobile banking which is accepted by banks.

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Hi, I saw you use public transportation and in that case I can whole-heartedly recommend

Public Transport - for timetables, routing, … and
Railway for the same information on Bundesbahn connections.

Both work flawlessly.

Online Tickets? I personally don’t use public ticketing apps because they also are just trackers.
Train tickets that you buy online and show up in “official” apps like the DB-Navigator are simultaneously available online on your DB account. For this I would suggest a web-app via “Web” app. or downloading the pdf? Yeah, not really super shiny, but …

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I have a Deutschlandticket from DB, which is neither visible nor downloadable from my DB account.

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Have you tried Waydroid? I haven’t run it on Librem 5 but it was working well on my linux laptop.

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But all other - regular - tickets are.
You should have opted for the “Deutschlandticket” as chip card. I have one in my wallet.

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My employer is co-sponsoring the Deutschlandticket as a job ticket, and doesn’t offer it in card form. Forfeiting a co-sponsored ticket just to have it as a chip card doesn’t make any sense.

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