Librem11 Lead Time

I saw the L11 is out of stock. Any projections on when this might be available for orders?

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For some added context, the “Purism Products and Availability Chart” shows it as in stock with delivery 6+ weeks, but when I go to the store, I see it and the keyboard as out of stock.

Unless you’re looking to flush money down the toilet, don’t waste your money. Worst $1k I ever spent on technology. Read the forums before you commit to that spend. Its a poor piece of hardware that is barely able to operate as an effective tablet device. Mine now sits stationary on its keyboard dock next to a raspi-4 as a janky low power linux home server. If you’re expecting Apple or Samsung quality performance and usage at a similar price point, look elsewhere.

Thanks for the input! I was definitely concerned about the quality, but not having seen much recent posts, was willing to perhaps take a chance.

As an enthusiast of Purism hardware, I never bought a Librem 11 and am a little skeptical of that. My Librem 14 is totally amazing for my use cases and I use it extremely often, but I’m doing a lot of nerdy oldschool stuff and using command line extremely, extremely often.

I think trying to have everything be liberated software that you’re legally allowed to read/modify/publish puts you somewhat at odds with modern mainstream society. There’s a game I really like to play from 2003 that I tried to essentally rewrite in Java, and my code is hacked together and guzzles RAM but I have the 32GB ram version of the Librem 14 so that I don’t have to mind.

But the problem that the Librem 5 has is that we compare it to an Android or iPhone and expect it to fill the same role in our lives. It’s possible that the fundamental design from the moment that Android and iPhone came into existence was organized in a fashion meant to take advantage of us, and so trying to make a version of that which operates in a good liberated-software way is misguided. It’s like if someone was flying you to a private island and then hitting you with a stick, and you wanted to stop being hit by a stick. We can buy a new device that advertises “This device won’t hit you with a stick!” but lots of people after buying it say, “Yeah but do I still get a free trip to the private island while not being hit with a stick?” and when they find out that they do not, they are upset. Perhaps the entire reason for the free trip to the private island was to make it impossible to escape being hit by the stick.

When the people in my tribe who I look up to had their mind eaten by iPads so they would sit in a physical space of chairs originally designed for socializing, and instead scroll their iPads or do whatever it is that iPads do (don’t know, have never owned an iPad myself) originally while I would visit with them I spent time on an Android phone in the same setting which was obviously even worse for me. I tried replacing that with some other devices but ultimately everyone got driven so far inward that the social space there isn’t social anymore so maybe it doesn’t matter. If I want to use a computer, then I use a computer.

This is why I never personally bought a Librem 11. It is difficult for me to picture – given how good my Librem 14 is and how much I like it – how the Librem 11 would be much besides a worse version of the same thing. Maybe I’m missing something big, but what am I missing? [Edit: Isn’t the Librem 11 essentially using the UI of the Librem 5 called “phosh” but on a machine that is worse because it has no modem, and it’s using the hardware of something like a Librem 14 but it’s worse because it has no hardware kill switch for radios?]

Did you actually just want the strength of will to choose to stop using an iPad in your life?

No, I don’t have an iPad or any other tablet. I have a 7yo L13 (which works as well as the day I bought it, except for the W-key that i knocked off some time back) and thought it’d be nice to have something a bit smaller that can act as a better PDF reader than my Kindle and something I can take on the road with me on business trips vs lugging a second laptop around.