Mobian on Librem 5

Well, you’re lucky you can!
My mom uses only whatsapp, my brother too!
All my large family (uncles, aunts, cousins,..) use whatsapp group (family group)!
All my friends are on whatsapp, some on telegram! I kindly tried to invite them into matrix… No one accepted!
Some clients (international ones) use only whatsapp (no calls, no sms)
The most interesting news channels I found are in telegram (nothing in mastodon)
A lot lot (90+ % of my clients using regularly facebook)
So to promote my job, although I’ve my website, I’m forced to use socials!

So it depends of what kind of life you have, what kind of job, family, friends,…

Anyway Gnome uses systemd. When I was on PureOS I tried to uninstall squeekboard to use another lighter keyboard but it was impossible because it was part of the huge meta-package! Uninstall squeekboard meant to uninstall almost the whole pureos!! Why to have it unused literally wasting the (already little) memory???
Istead I love OpenRT!! Super modular! I can remove everything I don’t need and/or substitute it with another software!
That’s Unix philosophy: one program do one function at the best!

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I don’t know what’s the issue with removing Squeekboard. I am whining that it is not delivered with Mobian any longer (installing and switching to it breaks the OSK entirely). Personally I don’t have a problem with systemd, but I am also not much into the back-end and let this specific discussion do others. Maybe my opinion changes in future, maybe not. It is also a travel for me to learn more with time. :slight_smile:

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@agx listen to us and advocate for us needs. I do not like systemd either. I just say.
Guido you are a incredible programmer too, we just want you to be on our team(non-systemD)

Yes, SMS and MMS. Works fine. It crashes every once in a while, but I’m finding it is more stable then with byzantium.

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Mobian is Hamper-and-Malevolent for Gnu Pure OS Mobile. IMHO.
So Gpure it has 2 Gnu Antagonizers: Mobian,PMOS.
Just because Mobian or Whatever support Wayland, Linux BLOBs and SystemD it must never mean that we at Gpure Mobile should be just like these shameless systems. We must kick out evil mainstreams cores and opensource-free bug fixes.

We cannot lose freedom, security, privacy, gnu and ethics just because ‘free bug fixes’

Do not be weak.

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Mobian is awesome, and so is postmarketOS. I wish I had more time to contribute directly to Mobian/Debian with some stuff so there’s less fragmentation, hopefully this will become easier once PureOS finally catches up with Debian :blush:

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Good do it for free! or you need Mobian to pay you?

Mobian or Pmos need to pay me to install it on my loved L5.

If it’s upstream, it may still benefit PureOS.

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These days mobian prefers to fix things directly in debian - so mobian specific patches are decreasing and their goal is to make it zero eventually. Any improvements done in debian lands in future pureos versions.

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Either Mobian or PMOS do not care the Librem 5 and User, If you think so, then you are hallucinating…for sure.

If you believe on mobian or pmos then asking and claim fancy feature enablements for librem5, and dont hopes/wait on GPure Mobile feature enablements…

Arnaud ferraris do not have the super power as s.krzyszkowiak by Purism!

Gpure Mobile is for L5. Mobian,PMOS is not for L5, but others…

Mobian works really well on Librem 5 :person_shrugging:

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Is fluke, mobian and pmos are just wrappers.

Mobian,Postmarket work well on Painphone? No. why? Wrapper.

Wrapper for what? Linux distributions are always only a collection of packages configured in some way. That also applies to postmarketOS, Mobian and PureOS

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wrapper: in the sense just wrapper as do not own patch anything.

I agree.

Whether a distro maintains their own patches is not a measure of quality or of how much they care about the user. There are many reasons why a distro doesn’t maintain its own patches. Maybe the distro contributes its patches upstream as quickly as possible, which is a good thing.

A distro that upstreams its patches quickly may look like a thin wrapper but that can be misleading.

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Interesting. I have one Librem 5 on which I installed Mobian, just to have a preview of what will come to PureOS eventually, app and Phosh wise, but for me Mobian is by far not as robust and reliable as PureOS Crimson.

My current point of view is that PureOS should catch up as close to Debian as possible, ideally Debian (Mobian) should run well on the Librem 5. Purism is upstreaming a lot of improvements, which is great.

However, even when PureOS is up-to-date with Debian releases, I think PureOS will probably be “better” than Debian (Mobian) because PureOS will probably be the distribution where Librem 5 specific patches and improvements land first. Maybe there will also be some patches that for some reason cannot be upstreamed.

Also, I like having bleeding edge software and see improvements early. But for a phone this conflicts with the requirement that it should be very stable and robust. Maybe there could be something like a PureOS Unstable for people willing to accept some risk, or people with more than one Librem 5.

Related to this is the fact that I’m often a bit in doubt where to report an issue with an application, or Phosh. Because the PureOS versions of Posh and many applications are not up to date with their newest releases, I’m reluctant to report issues upstream because I do not know if they already have been solved. But also I do not want to put extra burden on the Purism team by reporting issues that might have been fixed upstream.

To address this, I thought that installing Mobian on a separate Librem 5 was a good idea, because it is more current with Phosh and many applications. If an issue is in Mobian, I could report it there, or to the application project, without the “risk” to report issues that have already been solved but are still in older versions distributed with PureOS.

And if Debian, Mobian and PureOS would be all very similar, improvements and fixes upstream in applications and Phosh would arrive in PureOS quickly.

I prefer to see a healthy collaboration between Mobian en PureOS, maybe where PureOS would focus on Purism device specific development, like the kernel, and Mobian more on the mobile Linux platform as a whole, base on Debian.

See also: PureOS Optional Subscription Added to Advance Development - #26 by guido.gunther

And I in my opinion the PureOS Crimson release was a big step towards bringing PureOS, Debian and Mobian closer together. Which is good for all or them, and also for the mobile Linux eco system in general. Also made possible by all people who have a totally optional PureOS subscription to further the development of PureOS, and so indirectly also the mobile Linux as a whole.

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You are probably right here. I’m not using the Librem 5 as a daily driver but instead boot it and test things out. I wouldn’t even note if the modem was unrealiable, for example because it worked in the few occasions I used it. What I was observing instead, is that the software is must faster than in the past and it’s also newer than on Crimson.

The time Dawn arrives, I’ll probably switch to it, sharing your opinion that it will always be the Distro supporting the Librem 5 the best possible way.

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:folded_hands:

I never used Mobian, i will never try Mobian.

Mobian,PMOS,Gnome,Furi do not MAKE GPhosh.