More Proof Firefox is Bad

Sorry for not reading the rest of the posts in this topic, but I just wanted to respond to this by saying that I actually just clone the branch itself when working on it. You should be able to do the same with the following:

git clone --branch fenix $GIT.git

Also the real reason to respond was to selfishly thank you for the “her” in that post. It means a lot; it really does. Also, I’m Emma. :heart:

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Perhaps the only reason why Firefox must live (and we should accept some compromission here) has not yet been mentioned in this discussion: FF ESR is the codebase for the Tor Browser!
If Mozilla’s funding dries up and they don’t have enough money to continue the development of the browser, this will simply be the death of Tor Browser. And there really is nothing here yet to replace it: all other “privacy-oriented” or “privacy-defending” browsers are just subpar.
I am willing to put up with those little arrangements between Google and Mozilla if it means keeping the Tor browser dev alive.

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I already mention about Firefox ESR and its forks in “my stance” earlier in this thread.

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Yes, I can see that now. Sorry, I didn’t follow the URL to that other thread - I usually don’t “jump-thread” when the one I’m reading is very long and prefer to concentrate fully on it.
Anyway: you mention Icecat (FSF fork), which I really liked and used - but unfortunately, the development has stopped at FF60 or something, a very long time ago. Very unsafe to use now!
You also mention Mullvad, which I have heard of: what do you think of it? Any good? Could it really be an alternative to Tor as of now?
Have you used FF with the user.js config file (GitHub - arkenfox/user.js: Firefox privacy, security and anti-tracking: a comprehensive user.js template for configuration and hardening) for hardening the basic browser without having to mess with about:config and the hundreds of prefs to change or toggle?

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I do not have a use case for it. Currently, I have my own Outline VPN deployment and contribute to the Tor network as a Snowflake relay operator, among other related tasks, so there is no value for me to consider Mullvad. Also, it cannot be an alternative to the Tor Browser because Mullvad VPN is a paid service, whereas Tor is gratis, among multiple other reasons that are best explained in a different thread or on the Tor Project Forum.

See also:

https://forums.puri.sm/t/time-to-ditch-mozilla/21102/89?u=franklyflawless

I did, but it is clear that arkenfox’s solution does not fit my use case, so I eventually plan on creating my own user.js configuration for Firefox ESR in the future. Currently I have little to no time to read documentation of any sort.

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Opensource stoped partially icecat.deb via Gnu Trisquel, i strongly discussed this issue with team. However there are still newer Gnu Icecat binaries from here: Install package home:losuler:icecat / icecat

Yes i love Gnu Icecat and it is formally my default browser. :wink:

Free Software

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Thank you for the link and info.
A revival of good old Icecat!
I will look into it

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I do not think so. You know, sometimes Humans or mindful Program’s, would see a bigger Picture and use it like a step of a stair to get to higher ground. And you have to establish some overview to understand the concept of its own brilliance. Just to use that view of concept or study that kind of tool to build a better version of it. And now you can not create a better version of it if you do not understand it fully. I think its like a growing to a lower level Layer. To understand how it existence there… and to optimize it in a race to the bottom, you have to build a better system with less energy consumption without cheating, in a pure version or with a better understanding of lower level physics.

Kids using technology without the understanding of it… they will be exploited… trust me.

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Most people aren’t trying to make their tools better, only use the ones that are good enough.

Not significantly moreso than using other things they don’t understand.

It is infeasible to understand everything, and instead of trying to teach kids everything, it is more practical to teach frameworks for evaluating things using trust based frameworks. Along with frameworks for evaluating risk.

Trust me, as a parent, children are both more intelligent and more resilient than most people give them credit for.

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Thank you for your Post O*YAIG, like your point of view and you are right. Its just. I never saw computers and devices cheating with god like power before. So i think its not easy to beat that evolutionary.

Good parents should separate screens and internet before 16 years from these children i think. Cause they need time to catch up with beautiful and important thinks first.

I see computers have exponential growth in ram, cpu speed and data exchange. And i do not see that on humans brain. We have to much sensors pointing to children and aiming for attention and run A/B testing on future behavioral. No human has a chance to outdo that power …

Back to Topic
Some researcher observe on Android Devices that Mozilla contact some IP-Addresses after every launch.
Sorry its on German…

Firefox: Weshalb man LibreWolf und andere Forks bevorzugen sollte • Kuketz IT-Security Blog

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Good parentsvknow that each child is different and arbitrary age gates are not the best approach. There are so many facets to good parenting, including acknowledging cultural differences, that I would say that is a topic for its own thread and one that there will often be more disagreement than agreement simply due to the complex nature of the topic.

Neat.

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Just to be sure, I’ve added that host also to my hosts file.

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This is it, Firefox went total spyware mode. It went the way of internet explorer. I demand that GNOME Web, LibreWolf, and GNU IceCat (although that is usually Guix supported or separate download) be supported by the Purism/PureOS (system/default) software/dependency support repository/server. Mozilla Firefox must be eventually dropped from Linux repositories.

Mozilla Firefox is Collecting User Search Data…

Look for the ‘Firefox Data Collection and Use’ option label in Firefox’s ‘Privacy and Security’ settings section.


And if this past incident doesn’t clue in, you need a refresher on internet privacy and consumer rights.

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Good Point. But not every child choose its parents too. So i want to have that data an complexity shown and displayed to the observed human. - Ok and if its not old enough to its parents, or best friends or trusted A.I. System… wt… f.

I stuck in a recursive mind mud-hole. :wink:

The Good instances on Firefox was the Open Source approach and that we have some settings and keys - or Plugins to toggle to adjust privacy. Even if its powered by Alphabet. Its a good didactic play to see how information was processed and history saved or how Plugins like Adblock tried to got paid by Advertised-Webpages to monetizes and got excluded for sharing information.

Today browsers are some secret knowledge used by a daily lower user base and will be like the usenet in future. :confused:

Firefox will be rotten day by day. But just because everything other will do it more.

So i will change my browser to librewolf - just right know i hope its supported in future with security updates too. The last guard is right know the up to date tor browser.

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It’s unfortunate that you would post a youtube video to support your claim…
Some people (and maybe a lot of them here on this forum) want to have nothing to do with the Evil Octopus.
Do you have a more “viewable” source?

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I’d really like to see Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser released for Linux arm64 devices, as I think it’s better to stick with ESR.

Reminder: Librewolf is based on Firefox Release, not ESR, but it is supported by my FriendlyFox project.

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You demand ??? It’s all Open Source. Get it yourself.

Also, if you actually read the thread you posted from code9n about “Backdoor in FireFox …” with the claim that the IP traced to the “US Air Force”, you would know that was wrong. They confused a domain name ( 55.65.117.34.bc.googleusercontent.com with an IP address and thought that the leading digits were the IP, when the actual IP was 34.117.65.55 … which is for mozilla push services Home - Mozilla Push Service Documentation ).

Remember: It’s Open Source. I think people might want to tame their paranoia by reading the source.

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Was not much interesting about. All the video is telling “disable tracking settings in the privacy/security settings” (most of us should already have done this), because they collect a new type of metadata.The person is just reading the public changelog. Anyway, if you still want to watch it, choose your Invidious instance.

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Hi TiX0,

i did not look at the source or the connections. But i think its plausible. There are daily more less developers on the side of Mozilla, acted by some dismissal and less support cause - it goes well.

Ribby choosed youtube for the reach…at his time. And no, it is not a viewable source in future.

But we have to accept it on personalized Data and in future it got harder. Firefox is/was bad, but we have no other future today, or we ship more free open source Apps and Phones. With Linux or some free open sourced Android ones.

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To be fair, I’ve made the same mistake myself. In a hurry … and different IP address range operators use different strategies for what a reverse lookup produces … cut-and-paste …

It is already, isn’t it?

Open Source enables choice. It isn’t for you to tell me that I can’t choose to install Firefox from the PureOS repos, even if I did so in ignorance.

The important questions are:

  • which web browsers are available in the PureOS repos
  • which web browser is the default web browser
  • how much effort is it for Purism to continue to make a set of web browsers available in the PureOS repos

Gnome Web may eventually be a functional replacement for Firefox but I don’t think it is there yet today. Even if it were, there will always be some users who are wedded to particular user interface design and/or particular features.

Support for “extensions” and the range of extensions available may also be a consideration at the current time.

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