No longer listed on the Qubes website's certification page?

[michael.qubes]

@amosbatto

the fact that none of the Linux hardware companies that sell new SBCs, tablets, laptops, desktop PCs and servers has gotten certified tells me that Qubes needs to take a step back and evaluate whether its certification requirements are really helping its users select the right sellers.

certification is a process that involves active involvement with the manufacturer, it is not something the Qubes project applies to a device that it finds compatible. it might be worth reading the difference between Qubes certification, compatibility, tested. reviewing the page on Qubes certification will make clear our intention with it: “We hope these hardware requirements will encourage the development of more secure and trustworthy devices.”

@amosbatto

laptops being sold by System76, TUXEDO Computers, ThinkPenguin, Slimbook, Star Labs, ubuntushop.eu, laptopwithlinux, Juno Computers, Entroware, ZaReason, Linux Certified, Dell, etc.

we’re a FOSS project, please feel welcome to help us reach out to these manufacturers – since certification requires open-source BIOS, that reduces the list to System76 and Star Labs (didn’t know about Star Labs, thanks for sharing). if you want feedback on any drafted emails you can share them with me or the qubes-project mailing list.

@MrChromebox

The requirement is simply poorly thought out given the way modern hardware works.

…as stated, the requirement came out of the experience of the manufacturer. if you want to show it’s not necessary, only one way to do that

@Kyle_Rankin

if you want to resume any kind of discussions on the certification program please feel free to email me.

while it wasn’t my intention, will do!

thanks all – if you want to further discuss Qubes OS, I encourage you to stop by the Qubes community forum:

https://qubes-os.discourse.group