Libreum 15 laptop is excellent. No issues. My question is if Elon Musk markets an open source, made in American phone, will it be based on Linux, and if so, how will that affect Purism?
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In my opinion, if Elon Musk ever created a mobile phone and ecosystem, it would be focused on data collection and exploitation. Like his Teslas. (Related thread: Article: Who is Collecting Data from Your Car?)
So that probably rules out any Linux-based system.
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Makes sense to me, thx.
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And given that Tesla took over 5 years to even make its first steps in regard to GPL compliance ( Congratulations to Tesla on Their First Public Step Toward GPL Compliance - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy ), I have even less confidence that have any desire to produce an Open Source (or Free) phone.
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Another good observation.
It will be interesting to see what if anything happens with X phone.
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Difficult to imagine that it would be anything other than re-skinned Android operating system. There are many such phones already, making all sorts of “privacy” claims and such, but they are all still basically Android, and do not fundamentally depart from Android paradigm.
Making a “new private phone” or something like that is an easy cash grab for a company: install re-skinned Android on a generic phone and sell to “privacy-conscious” individuals for a premium.
Only Pinephone and Librem 5 offer any true alternative to the phone duopoly on a new device.
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Are you talking about examples like SailfishOS phones and/or FuriLabs phones?
If so, and while it depends on what you mean by “Android paradigm”, I will say that I disagree. Those two OSs I mentioned:
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They require a Linux kernel from the device vendor (as part of an Android release), but that is only necessary so they can use the Android drivers. They use libhybris/Halium for this.
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They also depend on Halium should one choose to use Waydroid to run Android apps. But that is true for Waydroid on the Librem 5 as well, so I don’t see that as part of the “Android Paradigm”.
The fact is that OSs such as Furi OS and Sailfish are GNU/Linux distributions, which makes them significantly different IMO from Android which does not have a GNU oriented non-kernel base for the OS (e.g. choice of libc, etc.). Furi OS is derived from Debian … just like PureOS
I believe that Furi OS is Free except for the embedded drivers which are proprietary.
So … precisely what do you mean by “Android Paradigm”?
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To me Sailfish OS/FuriOS is following android paradigm, why? HAL, Android devices, Aliendalvik, some new android ui on Sailfish.
In fact Jolla abandoned Sailfish from 2016 due to Aliendalvik, Jolla just is maintenance Sailfish to sell Aliendalvik via Sailfish. Sailfish 5 still obsolete via QT5.6.
Even Phosh is following android paradigm via UI-UX. Phosh could have been more delicious, but it is not.
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So… I’ll share a few of my own views as a FSF member/supporter:
First thing, open source is a development model, not a movement or philosophy. It was promoted by media to get rid of the free software movement recognition, and unfortunately it succeeded. Free software cares about your privacy/security, open source doesnt give a damn about it.
Second thing - Elon Musk is a billionaire, a buisnessman. He’s a terrible person who’s only focused on himself, and I dont see any reasons why someone from below is supporting him. I guess that his marketing is paying off sometimes, despite his actions.
As people before mentioned - he ignored GPL for a few years, he is promoting his own proprietary platforms, he is spying on his vehicle’s users, he is making money of very harmful things (such as cybertruck). Again - he is an evil, egocentrical person which shouldnt be supported by anyone sane.
Also - seeing how (unfortunately) Purism have fallen I’ve lost most of my hopes for them. I mean - I support them, because they’re trying to do the right thing - producing devices complying as much as possible with FSF guidelines, and thus caring about our, users of their products freedom.
Thanks 
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Thank you
Sadly Purism hired Opensource programmers, so they killed the essence and spirit of free software on Gnu Pure OS. Additionally tons of opensource users coming from linuxmint, ubuntu, qubes, fedora, big-evil Postmarket impacted negatively to Gnu Pure OS as well, this user asked and complained for
Purism for new wlan controller which depend on blobs, this user also complained for Firefox and more… 
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I think that in these cases we should explain slowly and patiently where the issue lies I agree with your…our philosophy Carlos, but we should help others to understand too. Cheers!
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FuriOS does not have aliendalvik it uses only Waydroid and it is optional … just like on the Librem 5. Basically, relative to the Librem 5, FuriOS borrows only enough of Android to be able to use the drivers.
SailfishOS does, by default, use aliendalvik. However there is a community port which does not have a license for aliendalvik and only relies on Waydroid. It’s basically still SailfishOS, but with Waydroid levels of Android app compatibility (just like the Librem 5).
They are both GNU/Linux, whereas Android is not GNU/Linux.
Still waiting for @weirdnerd to define “Android paradigm”.
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drivers and firmwares.
Aliendalvik it is not by default on SailfishOS.
Android it is Android/Linux.
Xperia Murray and Sailfish 5 will be the best Opensource device. Murrays Android 14 HALs enable fancy features on Sailfish like Meego, Like double tap to wake up, notications on LPM, Libcamera, more.
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Yeah, I still use SFOS from time-to-time… I do the translations for Thai (which is going slow since my health is on and off).
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