Plastic phone? Evergreen

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I think that the issues of technology and terminology should be discussed by experts. Iā€™m not a specialist in this field, but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1O-z9zURzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPKsI8tT1Qg

Itā€™s six of one and half a dozen of the other if you ask me.
In order for Purism to do this job it MUST be economically viable. The first batch has to be produced in the only way possible (expensively) to iron out the problems. It will have a regal hand machined lookā€¦ and be throttled into heat death survivability! The costs must reduce from the first model - or did everybody really want to pay hand-crafted prices? It surely goes without saying. When you go to a store to buy anything at all, do you insist on hand-crafted? No! Some hulking great machine can spit out your item at a tenth of the cost - it MUST be incorporated into the process and IS for practically ALL phones out there. Isnā€™t it bad enough that the phone is uniquely ethical? Can we expect another crazy cost increaser on top of that?

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We get a plastic case for certain?

Good. Plastic is the perfect material with which to make a phone. Itā€™s radio-transparent, impact resistant, easily shaped, flexible (so you can remove the back more easily) and relatively cheap.

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aluminium frame, sturdy plastic back - had been confirmed weeks ago

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This topic consists of nothing but speculation. Keep calm, the world moves on until Evergreen is ready to be shipped.

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i vote for Duraplast ā€¦ ā€œkeeping Librem 5 users happy since 2020ā€ ā€¦ :wink:

You do understand that metal, even aluminum or magnesium, interferes with antenna function and that the cellular reception is impaired if there is not at least some plastic in the case through which the antenna can have unimpeded access to signals. Perhaps Apple has the resources to package the antenna in such a fashion that it can have the back completely covered by metal as can some other cell manufacturers. They do, however, also have the advantage of having the chip housing the CPU with wifi and with cell radio signal reception closer to the case, whereas the only way of changing out an M.2 card on the board of the Librem 5 is to have it behind the CPU chip and further from the back. In ideal settings an antenna might be routed around the CPU, but still, even with that, reception is likely to be problematic with an entirely metal body and achieving anything beyond -20 dB may be hard to achieve with a metal body looking pretty and with a largely ineffectual performance. Is that what you desire? I never expected a completely metal body to be had. The cellular antenna is a large element. It is described as follows: ā€œFor efficient radiation at mobile/cellular phone frequencies, the antenna must essentially be the size of the entire structure of the whole device. This means the antenna is not an isolated component, but will use the entire structure of the phone in order to make the antenna.ā€ [http://www.antenna-theory.com/design/cellantenna.php] This usually means that it is mounted across the bottom of a cell phone, where the hands are less likely to be some impediment to the signal. Perhaps metal can be used along other areas of the phone, but along the bottom area the metal casing has to be sacrificed. In a thicker unit, such as the Librem 5, even this location may have isolation from the signal beamā€™s optimal reception.
I expect that a professional can give you a more accurate understanding than I have of this situation, but a full metal body strikes me as an unnecessary luxury and impediment.

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well said ā€¦ maybe go with Unobtanium there Purism ! i heard itā€™s a great material to use ā€¦ :wink:

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Maybe a bit wasteful, too.

Anyway, we simply canā€™t worry about these things. Thereā€™s far too much at stake here to lose sight of the real goals. We need options for the market to work; people need to be able to decide whether they want to be a captive to these creepy data mining, control freak companies.

People who care more about trivial things like device appearance than becoming some creepy corporationā€™s product are either too far gone, or hopefully just too ignorant to know better. Hopefully the latter, since that can be fixed.

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Iā€™m with you. Iā€™m not even in so much of a rush to reply so as to have done so before now. When the phone arrives, it will. Unless the technology has been found to be grossly ineffectual by its delivery, the device being received both with workable software and a moderately developed interface is the desirable endpoint. The October and early November update just noted is showing the ongoing work already brought to bear and will likely anticipate a good deal more work needed before I would find the device reasonably useful. I know my limits and these include my lack of any ability to push much of any development software to an upstream reception. If a phone is received solely to sit about and await good use, it is worthless to me. Having hardware and software functioning at some general threshold of utility, come when it will, is my goal.

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I think itā€™s important to note that these early batches are by design small batches as they refine the design with feedback from the real world. It makes no sense to make tons of early phone that have issues which would create even more bad feelings with users, which they may have to address on an individual basis down the road. Iā€™m in Evergreen, and Iā€™m actually thankful for that as I had chestnut and dogwood as choices as well. Iā€™m planning to use my Librem 5 as a daily driver for everything, may replace my laptop with it as well using a Nexdock 2, so I want as many bugs ironed out as possible before it arrives.

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I agree, I wanted ā€œchestnutā€, Iā€™m happy they ignored my choice.

Me too

ā€¦ and at least 1 day of standby battery life.

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