I would also support that second hand sales support new product sales. One selling an old product second hand has a high chance doing this because he wants to buy a new product. Like buying a LibremXvNext and selling the old LibremXvPrevious. Saturating also lower price categories without compromising the own quality also distributes high quality devices more which generates a wider marketing reach.
This works for long lasting premium products which from what I read is Purism’s own claim to themselves.
Question remains, why a forum category? Most potential buyers of second hand Purism products are probably here so one can achieve a higher price compared to e.g. selling it via ebay (only). On the other hand there are no securities of any platform implemented here on the forum and noone can expect purism to support such cases…
I agree and the example of @emeljay proves it, but I don’t think it should be implemented now, when Purism is expecting preorders and is struggling to ship its new devices. Perhaps in a year?
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There is nothing to “implement” except to make the category “marketplace” in the forum.
One-click-action.
I don’t mean some shop or store in the hands of Purism, causing workload and trouble. What I mean ist just a category in the forum to have the inquiries and offers for Purism devices all in one place.
People offer used devices in the forum already or place offer links to their ebay auction. But they post it under category “Librem” mostly. So hard to find, whilst unspecific.
Sure, I understood you. This is a small task, but it will influence the state of things a lot, encouraging people to trade Purism devices. Currently it’s sort of discouraged, which should be good in the short term I think.
I don’t expect, that someone, who is happily working with their device, would sell it out of the blue, just because Purism would initiate a “marketplace” category in the forum, really.
If so, than rather because of the L15 v4’s UHD screen, as I interpret the voices in the forum.
And if so, that not in amounts or figures, that would harm their business.
Isn’t reducing planned obsolesence an explicitly stated goal as a social purpose company? If this were a reason it would seem to not be very in keeping with that.
I suggest we could open our eyes and see for ourselves as of how much devices are there in ebay and here in the forum. And hence, we do know it! +
If people buy a product out of their free will and decide, they want to sell it again for good reasons of their own, then we should respect that. And promote and facilitate it.
Whoever wants to sell, will sell!
But as of now, whoever wants to buy, will need to search EBAY plus their local second hand marketplaces. Boisterous!
This places obstacles in the way of those, wanting to buy in the first place.
Does this help anybody? What would you presume?
If, without a specific forum category, you can see a lot of devices sold and bought, it means that such category could greatly increase that number. Therefore your words
may not be accurate.
This is not how it works. Some people are discouraged by the lack of simple buy/sell options. Did you even read ebay’s privacy terms?
I agree. I suggest to wait until Purism is a strong company, not a tiny one. Are you ready to put them at risk? It will not help the environment either…
How can the fact that they have a category for selling used product increase the number of use product people want to sell? People either want to sell it or they don’t and where they sell it doesn’t matter, it just makes it easier to find everyone on this site that wants to sell them, and are ALREADY listing them on the forum? A classifieds section just organizes them in one place.
And right now what they would be told is “you’re not staying on the original topic of this thread put that somewhere else”, well a classified section would give them a ‘somewhere else’.
Do you seriously think people that weren’t planning on selling all of a sudden say “hey there’s a classified section on the Purism forum! Oh my gosh I should hurry up and sell mine then”? That’s ridiculous!
where do you come up with the stuff?
If they own a Purism product and they’re already coming on the forum because there’s a wealth of information here to be gotten, and they would also logically think they should sell it to someone on the forum who wants it, and that already is familiar with the product?
Yes, cooperation! That’s the thing.
Thanks for the link, just tried it. Great! Funny! Didn’t know that before.
… and especially, whilst some of those, wanting to sell, state, that they do for their lack of technical skills in respect to Librem Key, PureOS or Linux most in general.
So they are stuck with a device they don’t understand and hence don’t use whilst others starv to get one.
Pity.
I think it shows they have faith in their product and their customers. Of course an electronic device is not the same as a bicycle. Purism would probably not want to get too involved in the market. I think providing a forum for their users to sell their second hand devices, or after market parts would not be a bad thing.
This is the link to the fairphone marketplace in the Fairphone forum.
Fairphone is a small dutch mobile phone plant focused on sustainable, modular phones aiming towards fairness in the production process, transparency for the user and a longvity through modular exchangeable parts.
Their marketplace is for parts, covers, phones, chargers - everything.
I own my Fairphone since 2018 and I’m very happy with it.
A multi-culti lot of nice and friendly people working there, attaching importance to customer dialog.
So yes, seems like this is also possible with electronic devices.
Apologies to necro this (but you can’t say I didn’t search first before creating a new thread ).
@moderators Can we please create a dedicated “For Sale” or “Marketplace” forum category? If these types of threads are allowed in the TOS of this site, it would be greatly helpful and appreciated that they don’t clutter the primary forums with p2p sales. Perhaps one SOP is that they can be marked as “resolved” and closed once the item is sold. What are your thoughts?
Seems a reasonable suggestion although I am not clear how it will really benefit those who are not interested in buying or selling.
It could make sense if there were a way of telling the forum software never to show you category X or Y, or only to show you category A or B etc. but I don’t think there is - so those topics are going to appear in your feed anyway. Sure, you can mute them on first appearance but that means they already interrupted your enjoyment and it forces you to take action each time a new topic appears in the unwanted category.
It would prevent me from having to wade through the marketplace postings while inside the “Phones (Librem 5)” category, for example. I would only see these posts if at the https://forums.puri.sm/ level (which is reasonable, in that case).
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