Tangents from increase battery life

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I told about 2 things that are fundamentally different. The first point is, that they never had to contribute any code to create such a “user space”. So without Librem 5 it wouldn’t exist - that’s for sure. The other thing is the “shortcut” which was never part of Purisms approach. It’s like building a house without building the foundation. It’s build in no time, but does not persist for long time.

And what I wrote after quote was nothing about differences. Btw, I’m running PureOS and Mobian on my L5 and Mobian does also not stay alive more than a day without charging. So PureOS is not the issue here.

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For those in Europe buying batteries is not an option unfortunately . I m thinking of putting my librem 5 in the drawer until crimson gets released so that I get more value from the battery if it gets improved by then . Charging all the time the phone will eventually destroy the battery . Can someone explain me what the suspend actually does other than turning off wifi ,and Bluetooth (mobile data are not turned off unfortunately )

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Crimson will not improve battery life (much), so just use your phone. You can buy batteries from third parties in EU, you just have to check that you buy correct ones.
Suspend also puts your RAM into sleeping mode. RAM is a storage that needs power to store data. Once power is gone, information are also gone. Suspend handles it in a way without session data loss. And suspend - once it’s stable - will allow incoming data to weak up the phone to give a signal “data here” - it’s not the same as turning off all wireless connections.

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That’s not how I would define capability. IMO, “Freedom” is a feature of a tool … while “capability” is what the tool can do.

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But what does that have to do with “battery life” or the capabilities of the phone?

I disagree. Mobian and PureOS are both Debian based and both have done basically the same work in regard to battery efficiency. Since they are nearly the same thing, both of them having issues isn’te even surprising and one certainly can’t conclude that it’s not an OS issue. For example, battery life of Mobian on a pinephone isn’t good, whereas battery life of GloDroid on the pinephone is 3-4 days ( GloDroid (Android-14) ).

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I thought it was more about the general question of differences. Sorry if I missed the point. I’m also not too much into the other project to be able to speak about differences in detail.

I thought the other device also runs Mobian, just with an Android Kernel. Or what did you mean previously?

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I strong prefer using an Androide device than be a crazy capricious person changing batteries on something that is not properly done. I love Librem5, i love Purism, i love Gnu too but i just waiting the right moment to using L5+Gnu OS. At the moment i using Xperia Murray+Sailfish OS it is a delicious combination.

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I use a 10,000 mAh power bank throughout the day to keep the Librem 5 fully charged at the moment, and I turn it off when not in use.

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I was talking about the the logic of your argument. As I understood it, you were basically claiming that since Mobian on the Librem 5 and PureOS on the Librem 5 had bad battery life that it must be hardware and not the OS. I pointed out that “both could be bad”.

But you make an interesting point that the FuriPhone basically uses Mobian, and allegedly the FuriPhone has good battery life. That would point to hardware differences. However there are also key differences in the OS. i.e. by “basically Mobian” I meant that it uses Mobian userspace … but the “plumbing” (connection of system services to the kernel) makes use of Android drivers and maybe (? I don’t know about wake/sleep services/interaction ?) Android services.

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You just missed the logic from previous posts. Anyway, the interesting part is what you wrote below and I think it’s both (hardware and “plumbing”). I still hope that Librem 5 can be more optimized and that not everything is hardware related.

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Honestly if they can improve the battery drain during idle with 4G enabled it could last a day with moderate usage . Without the sim inside the phone is capable with suspend to last 1 day in my case. The mobile data consume most of the battery even with suspend on because they are basically always enabled. Suspend won’t deactivate them

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Just my ten bits input (inflation from 2 bits)

  • Ditto. But before Crimson I’d like to see Byzantium do something right for a change. IMO Crimson is just a start-all-over-again fix to Byzantium. Byzantium has so many fixes and patches that it’s too complex now.

After charged up, I need to hold the power button down till it shuts right off. Unplug power adapter, plug back in, reboot the whole thing, because if I don’t, I have no Wi-Fi.
In the end, I have no use for something I can’t depend on, phone, text, and brief Internet search. The rest of the do-dads on it’s desktop like Maps are works-in-progress.

Too, since I can’t buy another battery for it and have no idea how long the battery will live, I just leave it in the cradle.
Hopefully, the cradle and lack of use will give me many long years of - well, not sure really. Phone works, but horrible audio so I can’t use it at all as a phone. Texts are the only thing it will sort of do.

The big deal about being able to replace the battery, or have a spare left me agog when I opened a old Samsung SGH-S275R with Model AB463446BA 800mAh battery and may buy a battery from a retailer in US or in Canada for $15.75. That phone was released in 2005 so it, and it’s battery (which I just tested) both work fine. And replacement batteries are cheap.

Reading the ads here I was lead to believe that being able to replace the battery was a feature as other cell phones were wired in.

I don’t know about other newer cell phones allow or disallow. If they are like the Tablets I’ve toyed with, those don’t allow much at all and to make anything useful, one has to give up all rights to privacy. The Purism L5 boasts privacy and we keep our rights to privacy - at a cost. Pay for what we don’t want, but that’s life with the duops.

It’s good to see that the L5 outdoes all others attempting to ape the L5. But the battery is still a problem. Some are over critical of the idea of comparing the duops batteries last a great deal longer, why not the L5.

It’s not about comparing phones batteries, it’s about comparing usability. If take my L5 any where, it loses 40% in 3.4 hours doing nothing but waiting for a mobile call. I could just save the battery and power off, but then why go anywhere with it.

I doubt Crimson is going to help with longer battery life without sacrificing usability.

Soon, I’ll be 75. I don’t have a lot of time to wait for the L5 to truly become as reliable as a duop spyphone. Too, many possible buyers are not interested in learning a whole new language. For me, the Purism Shop is still dead and doubt anyone will fix that any time soon. It’s like buying a new car without any way of getting parts, like a battery and to make the headlights work, learn Linux.

~s

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Having followed your history of problems with the L5 here in the forums, I think your best course of action is probably to sell the L5, which should net you a non-trivial sum, and then buy a pre-installed degoogled Android phone directly from e.foundation/Murena, iode.tech, etc.

It won’t be as private from Big Tech snooping as the Librem 5, but with Google mostly shut out, and with the benefit of all the available Free-and-Open-Source apps from F-droid, and even most proprietary commercial apps downloadable from the Aurora (anonymous front-end for Play) store, combined with a free tracker-blocking always-on app, you can achieve a very good level of privacy.

You’ll get a phone that operates as well as, or better than a regular commercial spy-droid, but with better battery life and very minimal snooping, somewhat controllable by what you choose to install or not install.

You could even pick up a used Android for cheap and install the degoogled OS yourself, assuming you choose a compatible model based on their lists. The process of unlocking a bootloader and flashing a custom Android ROM is no more complex than what you’ve already done with the Librem 5.

All the shortcomings you’ve experienced would be solved - well, most of them, hopefully - and you could then move on without having to worry about your phone.

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P.S. @sharon , if you go that route:

  • don’t buy a Samsung; they lose VoLTE when the original Android OS is replaced by a custom OS.

  • don’t buy a phone that doesn’t get VoLTE with your chosen mobile service provider

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IMO, that is implying that I am the problem, not the phone and if you remember things well, you might then understand this device is/are unique. The problems with my version of the L5 are not user error. I sent it in on a RMA.
I submit to the idea that if the higher kahunas couldn’t do anything about the problems I will have to live with it.
I just want to be able be with 14 of my relatives at Christmas dinner (that’s holiday dinner for you heathens out there) to reach out and pick up my L5 and join the family as we text what a great dinner it is - to each other. :crazy_face:

I am going to see this to it’s end
~s

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Not necessarily. It’s just giving one person’s advice on the best course of action, given all the information that has been presented.

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I think a Pixel would be the best bet.

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Why not Xperia devices with Sailfish OS ?

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No. I’m not implying that at all. In fact, if you recall, I’ve said publicly here in the forums that you probably have a defective device. [EDIT: At least I think I’ve said it; in any case, I’ve thought it.]

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I think I remember you mentioning that you do not live in North America, but for people who do, the solution that I currently use would accomplish this. I ported my main phone number to JMP.chat, so I don’t use the Librem 5 modem at all. I just use Dino XMPP client to text my family group chat. For chats with more than 10 members, JMP support will have to specifically enable that, so a message to support asking them to do it will also be necessary.

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