Thanks @FranklyFlawless, I was being lazy and hoped I guessed correctly.
@OpojOJirYAlG yes, when I have said Purism, I meant the leadership. In my day job, I deal with a lot of executive leaders, and I’m astounded at how much they lose sight of what they are trying to, or should be working towards. The primary focus of executive leadership always seems to be the near-term and not the long-term.
Back on the topic of this thread, I know we all are anxiously awaiting the release of Crimson. And, I do know it will eventually get released. My anxiety with Purism, is more on what changes is Purism making behind the scenes, so that it can operate more effectively so that we won’t have a thread in the future of ‘When is Dawn Coming?’
I think this speaks to the concerns other’s have raised in other posts, on whether we to put money into Purism fundraising, if we don’t have much visibility or insight into understanding what our donations are being spent on. The accountability piece.
I hope I’m not too off-topic, but I thought I would chime in to provide some history for the name “flatpak”. Originally (and for the first 6 months or so) the project was called xdg-app (the “xdg” coming from FreeDesktop’s XDG = X Desktop Group set of standards). Kind of uninspiring, right? His friends convinced him to rename it. Alex Larsson, being from Sweden, and IKEA being a general Swedish inspiration and famous for flatpacks (easily shipped ready-to-assemble furniture) … he simply dropped a “c” from flatpack.
I should note that there are also “snaps”. The history there is that originally there was “click” (although it might be “Click” or “Click!”) packaging for Ubuntu’s phone. When Canonical expanded that to the desktop it was renamed “snappy” … and, then somewhere along the way, it got renamed “snap”. It should be noted, for anybody that accuses Canonical of NIH, that “snappy” was released 3 days before the first line of code was checked into the xdg-app (flatpak) repository. It’s so nice that we have repositories that document that. Sadly, I had to remind Alex of that fact on one of his blogs since he, himself, got the sequence wrong.
And to weigh in: I’m not a fan of flatpaks or snaps. They definitely have uses and provide a reasonable option (especially for immutable and/or LTS distros), but my feeling is that they should only be a BAND-AID™.
My guess would be that the changes are: upstreaming.
So that in a hypothetical future the gap between the underlying Debian release and the associated PureOS release is much smaller, and the Purism effort to get from one to the other is much less, and the time delay is much less.
My guess is that interface capability and interface changes are the obstacles for upstreaming some Librem 5-specific functionality.
To the more general question (when is Crimson coming?) we all know that Purism has taken plenty of heat for making forecasts and then not hitting their dates. So I can understand that they would be hesitant to answer the question.
In this case I think the issue is less about setting a date and more about defining milestones and tracking them.
Sure the question itself implies date, however many of the messages here would have been assuaged by having the milestone tracking be public and consistent progress be visible.
Sure it’s open source and anyone can see the gitlab. But that doesnt mean anyone can look at gitlab and tell what progress has been made, what is remaining, and how much time those things equate to.
Things that would typically be handled by a project manager.
There’s a page dedicated to news from Purism. It’s where the past posts have come from and using past experience to infer future probability is almost certainly where future posts will be.
Finally found it, I think. If anyone wqants to shave off a few minutes, the last ‘report’ is here.
It’s PureOS Crimson Development Report: August 2024 Dated September 12, 2024
There is no answer.
My question right out of the gate is if:
Thank you very much to our subscribers, new and old! Your support enables us to continue advancing PureOS, and we are pleased that it remains freely available to all.
I’ll dare to ask, if that “remains freely available to all” means free(ly)dom, freedom(ly) or no charge as in no monetary, subscription, rent, lease, trial, donation necessary?
I read the whole ‘report’. The report is for techs, not the casual customer that just wants a working digital phone.
It’s hard to know what one should budget for if we don’t know what’s coming down the dark tunnel.
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If you’ve read my devices issues the last 2 years, you’d know why I won’t subscribe, donate, rent, lease, even if it’s free(dom). Not until they fix it.
Gnu Crimson will never released if not body is working to finish formally. At the moment just a Librem 14 programmer is gaming randomly for it. = (
Christmas is very near…
I think people expect cheaper prices because the L5 can’t even do half the things the Duops can do. On the flip side, $2k for a phone that can’t take good pictures let alone record a video; it’s app Store is closed most of the time and alternatives requires some knowledge of Linux and it’s lingo.
Also, the fixes often crash other things, and Purism history has self-eroded in to a skeleton crew still waving the Holiest of the Holies flag.
I don’t see how “fancy Libre hardware and software device…” is any where near fancy. Compare it to Purism ads for the L5. They sound fancy, but no video, taking pictures still hurts, big lapse in available easy-to-install software which leads people to look elsewhere - any where will do at this stage, even if it’s haunted.
In it’s desire to look tottaly different than Windows, makes it harder to understand what Linux-ligo means.
Some people claim they are happy with their L5. Doesn’t seem to be much of a majority though.
It needs work. Professional work for I fear it may be teetering on the brink. I very much hope that I am wrong.
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I Agree. Thats why i am creating a Problem to get a Solution. I still claim that Librem 5 it is a fancy Gnu+Lnx device, however FLOSS,FOSS, OPENSOURCE shipped a Low Quality Software for L5. = (
I am recommending Purism to hire PROFESSIONAL FSF FREE SOFTWARE Programmers for Crimson, otherwise Crimson will Bugy, BLOBy, Bloaty
