Will the enosed settings work on the L5?

Hardware Librem 5
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Prelude:
My ISP (Shaw.ca) sold out it’s customers to Rogers.Com in April 2023. As of January 26, 2026 Rogers began to to force people with Email to use their 3rd party WEBmail at Yahoo.ca. Similar to when Telus ISP sold customer souls to Gmail.
We were allowed to keep our Email addresses - for now, but their thugs prefer we set up a Yahoo account.

ISSUE:
Today, Rogers decided to change WiFi settings without any notice. This happened when I started a text message. Connections dropped and a notice said “Account Disconnected”.
A phone call to Shaw (Rogers won’t listen to us victims of Rogers) got modem to start using WiFi. L5 WiFi quit. Mobile shows mobile is on.

QUESTION:
(1) - - If WiFi on the L5 is disconnected or switched off and text is made and sent, does the lack of WiFi jump the text msg over to Mobile?

(2) - - Should the following settings work on L5?
Key Rogers Mobile Settings

  • WiFi Calling Activation: Go to phone Settings > Toggle WiFi Calling to ON. Requires a monthly postpaid plan and compatible device.
  • APN Settings (Data): If mobile data is not working, update APN to:
    • Name: Rogers
    • APN: ltemobile.apn
    • MMSC: http://mms.gprs.rogers.com
    • MMS Proxy: mmsproxy.rogers.com
    • MMS Port: 80

Thanks for checking this post
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p.s. If you are a victim of Rogers too and having issues with getting POP3 Email using a Email client like Thunderbird, the ports settings by Rogers for POP3 is incorrect.

For incoming Email change Server Port 995 to 110
For outgoing Email, change Server Port from 587 to 25.

There are other things you must do before Rogers lets you have Email back, go here. You must access WEBmail and change the settings in Preferences > Mail > and scroll almost to the bottom looking for two check boxes IMAP above POP3 and check POP3.
Setting IMAP ends up a trainwreck.

Rogers is, and has been, “fixing things” since at least January 26, 2026.

If you prefer WEBmail running under Zimbra, you really should check out the no-privacy with Zimbra news.

~~~The End ~~~
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Here’s the harsh reality: You should never have an email address with your internet or mobile provider.

ISPs getting out of the email business has happened a bit here too.

A reasonable arrangement for email is that you choose your own domain, you pay (ongoing) to register the domain, you pay (ongoing) an entity to host that domain for email purposes for you.

Either way, whether you change to Yahoo email or you change to your own domain, you have the inconvenience of dealing with updating friends and family, updating any business-related logins etc., updating any 2FA that is set up to operate via email, … so you might as well have that inconvenience only once in your life (by changing to your own domain).

Can you elaborate on that? Are you saying that your ISP has remote management access to your router and your router is also your Wireless Access Point?

Under normal circumstances, a mobile phone would send any text or any MMS via the mobile network, regardless of whether WiFi is available and working.

I don’t think that is implemented (yet) on the Librem 5.

Port 995 is for the POP3 protocol over TLS (i.e. secure).

Port 110 is for the POP3 protocol not over TLS (i.e. unencrypted i.e. insecure).

It is possible that either will work, depending on what the mail service provider offers. However if both are available then it is almost essential that … whichever port number you choose, it must match how you have configured your mail client. (The mail client may try to guess on your behalf and fix things up but …)

In the case of Thunderbird, it refers to “Connection security”. So if you choose port 110 then choose “Connection security: None”. If you choose port 995 then choose “Connection security: SSL/TLS”.

Needless to say that you should prefer port 995 (secure!).

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We had already lost back when they killed our shell and USENET. Or maybe it is better to pay for a line and internet access and roam the market for our other services, as always it balances to favor the big corp with the power user finding a way to survive and as always burns the normies.

I do agree though your personal services especially email should be yours and portable, using ISP mail as your main is like Americans who loose their hospital and doctor access if they loose their job everything is great until you loose everything at once.

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The enose will work if you enable the esniff.

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Agreed, but I have 10 Email accounts with what ever ISP is controlling us (Shaw or Rogers). I got those right after phone companies killed off the @Home servers (around 1995?). Like many others, I use email (we have to) to subscribe to whatever on the Internet. I have use these accounts for a variety of reasons.

I disagree though from using any WEBmail any where unless it’s a burner address. It’s WEBmail because it’s not Email. Email is Email because it’s not WEBmail.

I also have 48 other emails on my own LAMP server. Most are being deleted because I no longer need them all.

So, why don’t I just use my server? Because it all came long after I used a ISP for communication - because it was too hard and expensive at the time to move from the emails I used for years before I went in to a LAMP setting. Too, I want to rid myself of the cost of maintain a LAMP. There, they were for business before I retired.

So - I have choices. But should I give up addresses I’ve had for so long just because Rogers ISP wants to be able to scan our WEBmail, but can’t do that with Email.

Yes. Rogers has access to their Modem in my house. We rent their modem.Example. January 26 2026, I could not access any of the 10 email addresses. The error was that name or password was incorrect. After 3 days of WTH, as my last resort, I called, and it took 3 different calls to reach a tech that asked me what I included in my password. I said Upper, Lower-case, numbers and characters. They didn’t tell anyone that we needed to downgrade the complexity of a good password to kiddie-style passwords.

The tech said we may only use upper and lower case letters and numbers - no special characters. When were they going to tell shanghaied Shaw customers? Rogers doesn’t do that. They have since edited their support page to also use characters. I am not their beta tester.

They also changed my SSID, disabled the ability to choose our own non-stalking DNS server and I could no longer log in to their Gateway to change anything.
I was told I would have to buy a cell phone, use it to download the “app” to change the settings. They don’t or won’t support “Linux phones”

About the only thing we are allowed to do, is make payments on time. BTW, my rates went up, services dropped off.

But we digress.

OK. Good to know. I never wanted to learn about how cell leashes worked. But now I know.

But, the L5 WiFi has a line through it. I have shut it down, rebooted through the two passwords, pulled the battery, repeated and still - no WiFi. I blame Rogers
So, to rephrase my query, could Roger’s have their own required settings for phones ergo, the non-operating WiFi on my L5?

I would ask Roger’s, but they “don’t support Linux phones” -,just the two monopolies are supported - Google and Apple I think is what she referred to.

To shorten this up, I’m bridging to their Modem with a 3.5gbps and are getting 1. to 2.5 as it is now. I’m bridging to avoid their App (AKA stalker).

I know about SSL/TLS and their ports. Their online suggestion about what ports to use we tried and failed. They may say to use Port 995 but it has to work too. For me. It doesn’t work.

All hail the end of the world :wink:
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p.s. I know I have alternatives to Rogers Email. That’s not a point with me. To me, it’s the principal of the matter, dropping email services and told to use 3rd party services like Proton, Gmail, Yahoo, which Roger’s uses to handle all web and email. They also scan people’s WEBmail for several BS reasons, but also to analyze and map the sender - receiver, contents, and other nefarious reasons. We are the commodity - by any means possible - until it is legislated to ISPs that it’s a No-No.

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I don’t think anyone should have to pay more, and then see my access to Email disabled. I shouldn’t have shop around for email service.
Over the 20+ years of using me at Shaw and like other victims of Rogers, subscribed to a lot of services, subscriptions and contact via email; long before Gmail, Hotmail and the likes started corralling, branding and leashing up people.

Since they started up, I and others I know that like their rights to privacy, never trusted the home of Spammers, Scammers, and malware. Like Gmail, Hotmail, Live mail and ilk. They had and still have a poor reputation for respecting our rights.

To tell you how vicious and uncaring Rogers is, they never told anyone they were dropping Email services - never told anyone that good passwords are not acceptable, never told us about changes to cell settings, never warned anyone that they were disabling customer access to the GUI to access the modem settings. We are forced now to use their own DNS stalker, can’t disable being a Hot Spot for anyone that stops by to suck up my bandwidth and more dropped services.

Yes. I can use my own LAMP server and dedicated real Email. But I am now paying for the Email service and without notice, they cut that back. I pay more, for less. There are 27,000 plus thousand of complaints to Canada’s CCTS (Commission for Complaints for Telecom-television Services)
That tells you something about the pirate that bought us from Shaw. Now I know being sold feels.

Just say’n s’all,
~s

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Anyone?..

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I just had a look at the default Rogers settings that are stored here in the L5:

/usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info

The APN settings in your post match what is preloaded, with the exception of the MMS Port number, which is defaulted to the standard (?) Port 8080. So I would say it’s likely to work as expected, and likely to populate automatically, once you insert the SIM card. Make sure the phone’s powered off when you do that.

If it doesn’t self-populate:

Fill in APN Name and APN under “Access Point Names” after you enable Mobile in the Settings. Save.

Fill in MMSC, APN Name (again) and MMS Proxy in Chatty’s SMS and MMS Settings. Apply.

There is no field provided for port number in the Settings, so first test sending/receiving an MMS, and if it doesn’t work, we’ll have to try to change the port number in the file system at the location I posted above.

And to repeat what @irvinewade said, the L5 can’t do wifi calling yet, so you can ignore those particular settings.

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Needs more investigation to know.

Obvious lines of enquiry:

  • fault isolation - do you have another WiFi client device i.e. other than the Librem 5, and does it work? do you have another WiFi service (at other premises) where you could check that the Librem 5 associates correctly?
  • I think there may be known issues where sometimes you have to kill the WiFi on the Librem 5 and then unkill it, sometimes more than once, after having booted, before WiFi works. This behaviour may depend on which WiFi card you have.
  • If you yourself have management access to the router, even if only read-only, then you could check some settings for the WiFi.

For what it’s worth, I choose to have my own Wireless Access Points, inside the local network, so that my local WiFi is completely independent of whatever BS my ISP might pull. Therefore I have the WiFi on the router just disabled (and on one of the routers the antennae are also removed). I understand that the ISP can presumably re-enable the WiFi remotely. This choice costs more of course.

Ah, yes, same here. The router allows choice of DNS server but only a pulldown menu - with a fairly large number of choices but all of them external parties, most of whom I would choose not to trust. No “custom” option.

So I had to run my own DHCP server inside the local network - and the DHCP server can therefore hand out whatever DNS server I choose and in fact I also run my own DNS server, so the DHCP server just hands that out. (So the DHCP server in each router is just disabled.)

Enshittification happening as we speak.

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By the way, last year it was reported here that Rogers was a no-go for the L5 due to lack of VoLTE certification. I have no idea if that’s still the case.

I think VoLTE is required for calling on Canada’s networks now, as in the U.S.

EDIT: But if this is accurate, there might still be some Rogers 2G around for handling calls.

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Yes - my desktop gas built in WiFi and turning it on and removing cable I have wi-fi.

No.

No. Rogers took over from Shaw and my carrier for L5 is with Koodo (Telus) but service shut down on WiFi same day Rogers shut down access to Rogers MODEM. They have told me to get one of their phones and log in using the cell. They set access to the router to only allow cell phones to access the “app” If I hear “app” again I’ll app it up their

Another No. Access to just look at settings, was disabled too. Today, I have no WiFi, no local net, and no access at all to the modem.

I hope that is your ISP’s Modem and Router, because if after all this time to find out I have to use Rogers choice of DNS;s suggestion Id hate to spend the rest of life with a cell.

Does WiFi setting have to cater to ones ISP Modem settings even though the Modem belongs to Rogers and the cell is ISP KooDo?

Thanks Irvine
~s

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You say “a mobile phone” and what you claim is not true for mine. If your phone supports VoWiFi, MMS and SMS messages will/can be routed over WiFi.

But, as you point out, VoWiFi is not supported on the Librem 5.

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Wait. You have no ethernet access to the ISP’s modem? i.e. You don’t have internet access at all from your ISP??? If so, that’s just broken (it’s the meaning of “ISP”).

On the other hand, if you do have internet access via ethernet-out from the modem, one option would be to connect the ethernet-out from the modem to the WAN port (sometimes labeled “Internet”) for a WiFi router. That would let you control your WiFi settings.

When I went from DSL to a cable modem, I also didn’t have easy “settings access” to the cable modem (it required direct ethernet to a laptop, getting the assigned IP and port scanning the subnet). But, in any case, the WiFi router connected to the cable modem is mine and under
my control. And, of course, it lets me override default (DHCP from the cable modem) DNS, etc.

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I just checked and Rogers says (for today):

Rogers cell phone settings for data and MMS require an APN of ltemobile.apn. Key settings include <mark>enabling LTE/5G, setting up voicemail by holding '1', and managing data/roaming via your phone’s Settings app</mark>. For best performance, ensure your software is updated and VoLTE is enabled.

@amarok

I guess my question changed to:

If Rogers is my ISP (unfortunately) and KooDo is my L5, would Rogers interfere in any way. Is it possible when Rogers took over my old ISP that their dictated phone settings apply to the L5?
At the start up, I had to use Koodo settings for L5, not my previous ISP.

Just wondering now why I no longer have WiFi

~s

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No. They’re separate services and separate companies. If Rogers is the one supplying broadband internet to your home (i.e. your ISP), and KooDo, which uses Telus’ infrastructure, is your mobile service provider, then Rogers could not usurp the mobile settings you enter for KooDo on your L5, and KooDo could not usurp the wifi settings you enter on your L5 to connect to your home network, which connects to Rogers’ broadband. (Not even on a spyphone, and not even if Rogers were both your broadband provider and your mobile provider… although of course you would need to ensure Rogers’ correct APN settings are entered in order to successfully connect to Rogers’ mobile network.)

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Sharon

1h

I just checked and Rogers says (for today):

Rogers cell phone settings for data and MMS require an APN of ltemobile.apn. Key settings include <mark>enabling LTE/5G, setting up voicemail by holding '1', and managing data/roaming via your phone’s Settings app</mark>. For best performance, ensure your software is updated and VoLTE is enabled.

To clarify, I only looked at Rogers because you asked about their settings, but as your mobile service provider is KooDo, you don’t need to worry about Rogers as far as your mobile settings are concerned.

Initially, I didn’t quite follow what your original issue and questions were about.

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Sorry. Things with Rogers have been a nightmare. I just looked at L5 again and after a long hiatus, WiFi shows it is on now. I did call Rogers and asked them to do a factory reset (FR).
Previously I followed their instructions to …’push and hold button for 30 seconds’ but that didn’t work. So it has to be reset by the ISP - another major change Rogers didn’t tell us about.

I think it is coincident but L5 has WiFi again.

~s

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I assume with Shaw that you had set a network name (e.g. “Sharon’s home network,” etc.) and a personal password for logging in, and that these are the network name and password that you had added to the wifi settings on the L5.

This is unclear… When Rogers took over Shaw, did they provide a new modem and/or combined modem/router to you? Or are you still using your previous modem/router?

EDIT: OK, now I see from your previous reply that your old wifi settings are still working.

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Yes but it is more complicated than that because some providers (and some phones) allow VoWiFi but don’t support text and/or MMS via WiFi. Maybe it’s different in the US. But it’s all moot at the current time for the Librem 5.

It was supplied by the ISP and, as far as I know, it is the only make and model that the ISP supplies. It is a totally lame, dumbed down, locked down device - but it does do the basic job of getting on the internet, which is basically all I ask it to do.

I suspect that the ISP commissioned the device manufacturer to supply custom dumbed down firmware - because there is chatter on the internet about people who have reflashed the device with much better firmware. I (so far) have not found an unavoidable need to do that.

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That’s not quite true. “carrier settings” updates are regularly provided, which updates a spyphone will blindly trust and install. (Actually, I’ve seen the phone prompt the user to allow the carrier settings update to go ahead - NB: this is quite separate from the normal operating system software updates - however the user has absolutely no information to base a decision on, so I imagine that almost all users just touch OK.)

We had a recent debacle here where a carrier settings update for iPhones meant that on certain models the phone could no longer call emergency services. This is considered A Bad Thing™. :joy: And is also quite politically sensitive for reasons I won’t bore you with.

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