Hello together
i’m not sure, if i should buy the “preorder” version or the final product (when is it?) for some reason i have the fear, that if i buy the actual one, that then in some months a model with a extra will appear which the actual hasnt now.
i would be grateful to any reply of you, folks!
Edit: If you have not already pre-ordered/purchased, then you will be in batch Evergreen. Or you can wait ~1 year for the v2 model.
woah, that was the fastest reply i witnessed!
i have a stupid question that surelly cant be answered yet: how big will the spec difference be from the v1 to v2 model in percentage?
Indeed, that can’t be answered yet. The biggest difference that is currently known are the plans for the v2 model to have a better, more power-efficient CPU.
If you haven’t already ordered, then I think the earliest you could expect to receive the Librem 5 would be Q2 2020, so you may just want to wait the extra couple months until Q4 2020 for the v2. Though I don’t think Purism is promising v2 will be releasing Q4 2020 - it could be farther away. So you just have to make the judgement call with how soon you want the phone.
ok, thanks.
i’ll be ok with the iphone for 1 more year (battery replaced just 2 years ago).
then i come back and definitely buy the product. 
I imagine it will be more like 1 1/2 or two years for the second version to come. Gives them time to work on it, and get it manufactured, and at the same time they wouldn’t want to kill off potential buyers for the first version.
Ordering now, you will help the Purism team improve the first version of Librem 5 and will get it. By ordering a second version, you are financing its development and so on. As each version of the phone should be more advanced, only you can decide which version you want to order: 1, 2, 3, … and how long are you ready to wait for her.
assuming it will be 28 nm vs 14 nm - speculation > 33% max imo. this isn’t AMD.
Die shrinkage doesn’t actually have as large of an affect as you might thing unless the architecture also drastically changes to take advantage of it. Zen made significant improvements mainly because of redesigns to the architecture. The main advantage to lower die sizes is the lower thermals and therefor an ability to run at slightly higher clocks than before in some cases. As far as i can tell, the 14 NM IMX8M only really gains a 500 MHz higher clockspeed and smaller chip size.
I can pretty much guarantee you that that will be the case with any IT / telecomms product, from Purism or anyone else, a mobile phone or anything else. That’s where we are on the S-curve. Even if you wait for v2, there can always be a v3 on the horizon, …
I would suggest that you ask yourself: what would having a Librem 5 do for me right now?
If you are sick of being sold to the highest bidder, if you are sick of a corporation telling you what you can and can’t run on a device that you ostensibly own - you might well decide to buy now.
I think so too. Only thing that I guess is that i.MX 8 core name of the NXP known family will stay the same but the mentioned shrinkage goes to Arm® Cortex®-A35 and not to Arm® Cortex®-A53 as this is for some other (technical) reasons obsolete, IMHO (not the expert one).
I would suggest that you ask yourself: what would having a Librem 5 do for me right now?
If you are sick of being sold to the highest bidder, if you are sick of a corporation telling you what you can and can’t run on a device that you ostensibly own - you might well decide to buy now.
I still remember–with a mixture of amusement and disgust–an acquaintance who blew thousands of dollars on a desktop PC, buying the newest processor, video card, motherboard, you name it, so that he could say he had the best.
It didn’t take long for something better to come along and he was highly annoyed.
What the heck did he expect? And, to boot, in a year his machine was vastly cheaper and no more “obsolete” than it would have been had he waited.
He (mistakenly) spent a lot of money chasing the end of the rainbow. That’s no worse, though, than never buying anything because you’re perpetually chasing something beyond the end of the rainbow.
best for what exactly ? performance ? speed ?
i know many people who buy a PC or individual PC components just so they can game.
some buy them because they work in the 2D/3D/4D field (architecture, CAD/AEC, design, entertainment/viz) and they fear not beeing competitive enough or beeing left behind (sad but it can happen).
some simply don’t care and just want the cheapest entry level for internet.
none are primary goals of the open-hardware/free-software movement. this is just how it is …
best for what exactly ? performance ? speed ?
To be honest, this was so long ago that I don’t even remember. He just, as near as I could tell, wanted bragging rights, and seemed shocked that his machine became “not the best” so quickly. (In the mid 90s that was simply an absurd expectation.)
Yes, this has nothing to do with open/free software/hardware; it’s just an attitude I was warning against. In a rapidly-developing field, insisting on getting “the best” now OR continuously waiting on the next increment because it’s better than what you can get right now are two ways of chasing something you either can’t get, or will only have fleetingly (for a lot of money).
i think that “fleeting” moment is enough for many people earning money from the computer/pc-component. money is an object usually if that tool will not even cover the initial investment. most people want something extra as-well in return. it’s a sensitive topic …
or will only have fleetingly (for a lot of money)
i think that “fleeting” moment is enough for many people earning money from the computer/pc-component. money is an object usually if that tool will not even cover the initial investment. most people want something extra as-well in return. it’s a sensitive topic …
I personally, when I am ready to make a purchase, look for the “bend” or “knee” in the price curve. Prices climb slowly for older stuff, then suddenly rocket upwards when you look at the more powerful (better) items on the market at that moment. I buy the last item on the gentle part of the curve; it’s not going to drop a huge amount in price right after I buy it, so I won’t want to kick myself. (That’s true for TVs and other electronics too, not just computers.) (The one exception I will make is if a “must have” feature is only available on a more expensive model.)
like i said people choose stuff acording to their needs or wants. both can make mistakes in how they choose but that’s the market for you - supply and demand (independant of right or wrong in short BLIND)
I agree. Both are “mistakes”.
To be honest I have no problem with the fact that he blew thousands of dollars to have what was then the best. If he is wealthy and can afford it then he can keep doing it for all I care. His early stage purchase is helping the market for that specification of product to progress to maturity so that it becomes more affordable for the rest of us.
I have a problem with the fact that he was annoyed that it didn’t stay “best” for very long.
I’m with you though - look for the knee in the curve.
My opinion? Do nothing and wait to see how it works out. Purism is not actually selling a phone right now. They are selling an investment in the future promise of a phone.
Yes, it has been a promise for two years now. Personally, I paid for that promise because I found it so valuable that I had to put down my money. If a group of people are willing to spend a lot of work to develop a new kind of phone which is not snooping on you all the time I simply had to support them. I know that development work is tricky and sometimes it simply does not end up in a good product but can be an important step in the right direction anyway.
I had some bad experience when NOT buying. I found good products and was careful to buy only a sample. It turned out very good but when I should buy more all were gone. Other people also found out it was a real bargain. Possibly there will be more items - but at a much higher price. I should have gone back to the store immediately to buy more. You cannot rely on there being a continuous supply all the time - at least for the same price.
What if a big company discovers that this is what they really want ? A phone with very high degree of privacy. Then they buy every single item they can get to any price and we stupid nerds sit here without any Linux phone or have to pay astronomical sums for it. Just a thought.