I have 4 children and this entire virtue signalling game is seriously stupid.
That has nothing to do with virtue, just simple logic, nothing more.
Should I start to report you? Until now I was friendly, but I don’t need to discuss on that niveau.
Do what you want. This is the logical conclusion of your thought process. It is called critical thinking.
Then tell me where I am wrong. Nothing easier than that, isn’t it?
Well since you aren’t interrupting what I am saying properly you probably didn’t interrupt this entire conversation properly so no real point in continuing the conversation.
I see, always the bad others. Bad China, bad Ick, just never and nothing about something related to you. However, then it’s done I guess.
You aren’t even understand things properly in this conversation and what you said isn’t proper english.
“Oh mimimi, a not English native speaker isn’t speaking perfect English. I don’t speak with people that can’t speak my language proper.” 
That was my last message to you. If you can’t even repeat something in another way because I may get something wrong by language barrier, than you just need a reason to avoid the conversation.
Can we all step away from the keyboards for a little while and get some fresh air? This is getting out of hand.
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A couple of observations about prison in China (without needing to or caring to make comparisons with any other country).
- Before you even get to prison you can be subject to Residential Surveillance at a Designated Location (RSDL). Basically it means you “disappear”, without being charged with anything, much less getting your day in court. Whether you will definitely be tortured I can’t say but I think you will at least be “pressured” into making admissions or revealing information or both.
- Conviction rates for all crimes are very high. That is, once you start down this path, you are very unlikely to be found “not guilty”. (Does this mean that the court is a rubber stamp? Not necessarily. It could just be that the laws are so broadly written that the legally correct decision from the court is nearly always “guilty”.)
- Once the government mentions the magic words “national security” the whole thing will be conducted in secret, even more onerous restrictions apply, and your prospects are even bleaker.
I really think we should leave climate change / CO2 for a completely different topic, and in Round Table.
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A lot of people just can’t stand the fact that China is winning right now.
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No one is truly winning anything right now. China’s economy, much like the economy of the rest of the world is limping along because globalism is basically dead and everyone is realizing that the the koombaya globalist dream of "we are all one race with no self interest " is not only wrong, globalism is the feed-stock of national and racial self interest that will eventually lead to a shift of power balance in ways no one wants to see. It is important to consider that China is not a real country. It is a forced conglomeration of various ethnicities under the fake label of China where the Han Chinese are in an active and slow genocide against all of the other ethnic minorities, particularly the Uighur and Mongol populations.
There is a large scale de-coupling going on around the world as part of the realization that (to paraphrase a former Nintendo CEO) there is no such thing as friendly states, there are only the strong and the weak. This is just how our species works. Interestingly, as we are a species of chimp, it’s also how chimp politics works as well.
To wit, since China has huge internal geopolitical and resource problems they are actively seeking resources internationally and their activity in Africa and South America has been increasing over time as American activity has been focusing on war based strategies in order to keep the middle east destabilized instead of building economic hegemony. In chimp politics, there are only strong troupes and weak troupes, and the strong troupes actively seek out and genocide weak groups, which should ring a bell for every human sized chimp here. And this is largely what China is attempting to establish, dominance via economic hegemony in the the third world in order to create a larger human chimp tribe than the western alliance. Which is currently crumbling under the weight of the bankers and the industrial military complex and the super rich that hold no allegiance to any country inflight as they try to extract the last of the resources in our corner of the world for them selves.
To that point, if America ever decides to cut China off from the rest of the world, China will have a very interesting time trying to resolve their internal issues. If you are wondering why we have a communist insurrection happening in America and why the borders are not only open but our border agents are escorting invaders directly into America by the 10s of thousands daily, this is the reason. The rest of the world needs America so completely destabilized and so completely de-homogenized from it’s founding stock that it will become completely impotent in it’s ability to do so, that is why it’s happening. Keep in mind that no one is getting together and having meetings to co-ordinate all of this as you don’t need meetings to have a conspiracy. You only need a confluence of wants and everyone knows what to do with a simple look. If you have ever done deals on a golf course or have been part of something like Antifa, you will know how this works.
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Just throwing out another question:
If we are just chimps what is the point of this argument?
Perfectly happy to accept any rebuke or critique. Take my argument chop it up and tell me where I am wrong, incoherent or otherwise. Handwaving is fine, but it’s just handwaving.
I my opinion it’s less a question of “who we are” and more a question about what systems we use to organize us. Every system has general conditions inherent in which people will act. Sadly we’re using bad government systems (also speaking about how we designed and implement democracy) which has conditions that force us to fail. We still could make good things in those, but often we just failing doing so, because there is no benefit in doing things better.
In some other systems we work so much better together. That has nothing to do with globalization or the “humans as chimps itself”, just about the systems we created in past.
A simple example:
A dictatorship could create the best of the best for the own nation. Why it never happens? Because the system allowes the dictator to go the easiest way. There is no need to listen to unpleasant opinions, even if dictators could theoretically.
Systems have to be designed to make the best way to the easiest way to go for.
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Interesting point. Do you have any thought on which systems work / don’t work and why?
Partly. I’ve got some concepts in mind, but of course only as basic ideas, nothing further. We may should create a topic in round tables for it, because we wouldn’t come back to topic at all.
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Cool. Not looking for a competition, just curious. They are interesting topics and there are many resolutions at which they can be examined from.
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I flagged your post for moderators to review, because I felt that it was abuse to another forum member.
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