Estimate your Librem 5 shipping

Thanks for your efforts on ths @Caliga! :slight_smile: Estimates are just that, estimtes, but it helps provide some perspectives. I ordered in Sept 2018, so i’m still a ways out it looks like. The big unknown now is the cpu supply chain. Which is understandable. The virtue of patience :slight_smile:

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My old phone has been dying for a year!!!
Please send me a working phone asap!!!
Thanks for putting all the work into the estimated shipping.

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In December, I ordered a Librem5 for my young adult/teen, but unless I missed it in the fine print, I did not read anywhere on the information page for the Librem5 about anything I am seeing on this thread. Which is it’s taking months if not years for people to get the phones they ordered? Am I misunderstanding? What is this Evergreen, Fir, Birch etc all about? TBH, I feel like my username. I found this webpage/forum thread after seeing “Awaiting shipment” on my order for over a month now, with no further emails that indicated any status of the order or future shipment date. Transparency anyone?

Those are names of different batches, different versions of the Librem 5, from here: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-shipping-announcement/

That was in September 2019. As you can see there, things have been further delayed after that. Now finally during the last few weeks people have started getting Librem 5 Evergreen shipped. That’s good news but it’s still not clear how long it will take for all orders.

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Because this is a development project of a phone from scratch, not the selling of an off-the-shelf, already available product. Years is how much it takes to develop a phone from scratch.

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To expand on previous answers:
Some of us have waited for 3 years now, but we witnessed the whole process of development from scratch. This includes hundreds off blog posts, progress reports, videos… and delays.
You can get an overview here: Librem 5 — Development Chronology

However, about two months ago, shipping of the final hardware has started. With the information I have, my guess is that it might take about six months to fulfill all orders. We’ll probably know that with more certainty in the next weeks.

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I ordered my L5 25 August 2017, and I received the Evergreen to Sweden in 17 December 2020.

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Aspen, Birch, Chestnut, and Dogwood versions were incremental iterations of the phone as it was undergoing development and improvement from the initial crowdfunding campaign over the following 3 years. (It took a bit longer than expected.)

Evergreen is the final production model. It started shipping in November 2020 to the crowdfunding backers (those who pledged between August and October 2017). The pre-orders that occurred after crowdfunding will be fulfilled following completion of shipment to all the crowdfunders. Shipping is expected to pick up speed over the next few months, transitioning to near real-time order fulfillment after that.

Fir is an as yet notional version which is planned for some point in the future.

If you ordered in December, you will probably receive your L5 Evergreen sometime before summer, as a best guess. You can email Purism to get more details.

From the Librem 5 order page: "Place your order now, get it in a few months!"

I don’t think the Librem 5 phone is ready from “young adult/teen” perspective as yet. There won’t be WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter etc. like native apps, no games per se that are available on Android/iOS platforms that most teens use, work-in-progress battery life improvement etc… The Librem 5 is still a work-in-progress item on the software part. It is not really ready for mainstream yet.

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That’s all good, but their “Order Now” page should indicate some semblance of this. When I was ordering, I was paying for a product. I didn’t think my money was basically an “investment”. Who knows what will happen in 2-3 years?

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Place your order now, get it in a few months!

What is unclear here?

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Well, that depends on the teen. Someone who would enjoy tinkering around with a Raspberry Pi might well get quite a lot out of a Librem 5.

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This is where I ordered from, at the site below. I don’t see “get it in a few months” on here. If it’s there, it’s in very fine print. I don’t have issue with the product - it sounds great. In fact, it sounds fantastic. But I like transparency. And btw, a “a few months”? Sounds like people have been waiting way longer than “a few months”. JS…

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

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People who are waiting for more than a few months (like me) were told to wait for a couple of years back then. And we’re still patiently waiting :slight_smile:

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Your link goes to the page describing what Librem 5 is. If you click there “Order Now”, the next page says about the few months in a pretty big font.

Concerning the delay, indeed, it’s been longer than a few months, but hopefully it gets better now, because most issues are already resolved and the mass-production version (Evergreen) is already shipping.

People have. But now we’re in the shipping phase. This phase includes all the crowdfunders, then all the orders that were made after that. It’s expected to last for a few months (i.e. into spring).

Orders placed now will follow that.

I wonder how many people would order a phone, from a company they’ve never heard about before, without doing a little research into it. I can’t even do that with a company I do know about. Strange.

Most people, they’ll get sucked in by the hype and then become very frustrated by the lack of transparency

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You could be right that communication is not as clear as it could be. I don’t know. I was one of the original crowdfunders, so I knew what I was getting into, I knew that I was ordering a product that existed only as an idea, and that was all happening 3 years ago. I knew that I was backing the development of a new product.

My phone arrived a few weeks ago. Yay me!

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Part of growing up is coming to the sad realization of how the world really works. :wink:

Perhaps the corresponding web sites are usable even if not optimal. You may be right that your typical young person would be waiting for an easy-to-install Anbox.

I find it difficult to reconcile a commitment to privacy with sharing your every thought, action and movement with Big Tech.

I think battery life improvement would be the showstopper for glued-to-their-devices young people. Maybe that is a hidden benefit for them. :wink: