Estimate your Librem 5 shipping

So how does that work??? Hypothetically speaking, what happens if you don’t receive that message / ignore it / refuse to pay? The goon squad comes round, breaks into your house, and takes your beloved Librem 5 away? :slight_smile:

I assume that many other countries have the same, but in Sweden there’s an authority which companies can report unpaid bills to. If you don’t pay you either have to go to court if you deem the bill to be fake or you’ll get a couple of warnings. After those warnings they can essentially come to your house and take your TV or something else that is valuable to pay your unpaid bills.

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A bit motivated by waiting for my device (order date October 7, 2017) I’m watching carefully announcements here from other when the got the mail to verify the shipping address, and when shipping is done and arrived in comparing with the the order date:

order date | shipping check | shipping   | delivery date, country, payments
2017-09-17 | 2021-01-26     | 2021-02-08 | 2021-03-01, Germany 112 EUR via Paypal
2017-09-19 | 2021-02-15     | 2021-02-23 | 2021-03-01, Austria 128.19 EUR in cash
2017-09-20 |                |            | 2021-03-03, Germany 125 EUR
2017-09-24 | 2021-02-26     | 2021-03-05 | 2021-03-10
2017-09-27 | 2021-03-11     | 2021-03-19 | 2021-03-25, Sweden
           |                |            |
           |                |            |
2017-10-07 | ?              |            |

order date | devices | diff to day before
2017-09-23 |  945    |
2017-09-24 |  964    |  +19
2017-09-25 | 1025    |  +51
2017-09-26 | 1075    |  +50
2017-09-27 |    ?    |    ?
2017-09-28 | 1172    |    ?
2017-09-30 | 1266    |  +94
2017-10-02 | 1369    | +103
2017-10-04 | 1479    | +110
2017-10-05 | 1506    |  +27
2017-10-06 | 1630    | +124
2017-10-07 | 1745    | +115

If you compare, for example, the order dates September 24 to 27 (three days), the dates of the corresponding mail for address verification is an interval of 15 days. The number of new devices orders between Sep 24 and 27 is relatively constant. What could cause the delay in the shipping mails?

I think that the phones arrive in batches at Purism. When a new batch arrives, I assume they will ship them to the customers as fast as possible. Only when the new batch arrives they can start shipping out again. I think we could we even try to estimate the batch sizes that Purism receives from the figures in the tables.


four days, btw

Quackalapp :slight_smile:
27-24=3 or from lunchtime 24 to lunchtime 27 are three times 24 hours.

Received mine today (in Finland). Ordered it September 28, 2017.

Regarding the tax discussions above. At least in Finland it is your own responsibility to pay taxes for imported goods or have the shipping company do the taxes for you (more expensive of course). So even if DHL “forgets” to notify about it, you are still obliged to do it (DHL always notifies me). But I guess nobody will come after you if you don’t. Our customs have a web page where you can log in and declare your imports and exports. It is quite easy to use.

Btw, no import fees/tax in Finland, but 24% sales tax that amounted to 119,20 € (and yes, that’s how numerals and monetary units are spelled in this part of Europe, i.e. not €119.20).


State sponsored extortion…just like taxes…but don’t get me started. Lol.

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24%??? I thought we had it bad in Canada at 13%…wow.

I don’t mind 24%. No corruption, I know exactly where my tax money goes. I get a lot living here. Finland is the world’s happiest country for the fourth time (


Are you locked down? Masking and all that?

Something tells me the people of Sweden get a lot more return on investment from their taxes than we Americans do. :crazy_face:
Not sure about Canada.

How it works in Canada under he who shall not be named is…we send all kinds of money (triple our debt in 5 years) beyond our borders (who knows where it goes) and then we are on the hook for it…probably the same in the US.

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I’ve worked from home for a year now. Masks are used when you go to the store and elsewhere among people. Right now very few cases here. Our government is gold, love them.


Same working from home. I don’t mind that part but it’s at the point where the cure is worse than the disease. I’ll leave it at that for fear of hijacking the thread.

Well it works just the same way as for any bill you would refuse to pay.

Narrator: Today we’ll take a look at a rare species that doesn’t think their goverment sucks.
Once common, man made destruction of their natural habitat has driven it near extinction. Way up north, away from the urban centers of our industrialized world, it has survived. Yet.

<- envious middle-european, who at least uses the same numerals and monetary units


Do you throw them in dumpsters when they upset you? Maybe that’s why they are behaving…lol.

Received today. Haven’t done anything with it yet. Will tomorrow.

  • Product order: 30 September 2017
  • Purism - shipping preparing notification: 11 March 2021
  • Purism - shipping ready notification: 19 March 2021
  • FedEx - delivery: 26 Mar 2021 - USA
  • Modem: BM818-A1

Congrats, can you tell when it started to ship? Which is the date we use to track in the table above.