Librem 15/13 v5 features and requests

Dang, I was just getting ready to buy the v4.

USB-C Power Cable might be worth the wait.
Always seem to have issues with the standard AC power cables.

How practical is this happening soon?

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So far, it seems shipping of new revisions began roughly at the beginning of the year.
I would expect the v5 spring 2020.


You will probably have to wait long enough for this.
All other brands (Apple,HP,Lenovo,Dell) support USB-C charging for all their recent lineups.
Also, it’s worth to wait for a quad core CPU and not an ultrabook 2-core version from 2016 which is
now shipped in v4. Any slight CPU intensive task or firing up a few VMs in Qubes will make you
think you have a drone on your desk, not a workstation class laptop.

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“workstation” while talking about Pursim - CONSIDERING free software/hardware limitations (igpu/firmware/power consumption) means they don’t apply into the same definition as bellow - to which many manufacturers adhere to.
since you required a wikipedia page here it is

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The battery management I feel is something that can really be improved, here is another thread of recent problems I have faced.

@nicole.faerber I know your attention is focused on the librem 5 , but is there any chance we can better battery management on the future laptops bucketlist?

check :slight_smile:

Yes, we are ware that this is a major pain point - not only for our customers but also for us. One of the major obstacles here is that the handling of the battery is buried in the embedded controller (EC) and it is really tough to get any internal information from the manufacturers about this, not even talking about source code. Additionally, believe it or not, many people simply even do not understand proper battery management - and it can really be very difficult! I remember working on a project with an embedded ARM device where the customer wanted very precise battery gauging. This work went on over months and sincerely became critical with the customer threatening to pull out from the deal if we do not manage to do it properly, We (at that time I was working for another embedded Linux company) had a really hard time to explain to them why what they wanted was plain impossible.

Anyway, back to Purism laptops, yes, we have this even pretty high on our bucket or wish list for supplier negotiations but I can not say (yet) when we will such improvements.



wow, thanks for the info, no wonder there is so many issues with other Linux powered laptops batteries. Googling my problem revealed a slew of other users with similar issues on very varied laptops.

I will pray that you may come across a battery manufacturer willing to go open-source :wink:

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to be more exact what you speak of is free-software. open-source is what you can already achieve with ubuntu on proprietary hardware. the linux kernel might be open-source and the driver-module comunicating with the firmware but the firmware itself is close source and the manufacturers also don’t provide documentation to properly reverse-engineer > free-software > open-hardware

sure, open-hardware to be more specific!

I think this is the crux of the problem. Most mfg likely don’t understand their product enough to feel comfortable to open their hardware as the liability risks are too high, especially what happened last year with the Samsung phone batteries catching fire.

i heard that a few of them exploded and injured customers. probably the xyz state targets :wink:


180° Opening-Learn from the professionally designed, tried & tested Thinkpad. This is very important, esp. for those coming from Thinkpads.
-A laptop that can be opened to 180° can be positioned closer to the user giving the effect of a larger screen, this would lessen the need to connect to larger monitor and makes for a more mobile workstation.
-A laptop that can be opened to 180° can be positioned flat on the table & will be better for collaboration, this would lessen the need for people to squeeze into the same position to see the screen or lessen the need to connect to a larger display. You would be able to discuss ideas face to face with the person sitting opposite you.

4-Core 7nm AMD Ryzen-AMD cpus are susceptible to a lesser number of hardware security bugs compared to their Intel counterparts something that PureOS & Pureboot cannot solve.
-AMD Ryzen is opening up to open-source boot firmware. (
-Intel is at least 3 years away from releasing a cpu at this node, that is if their published schedule is to be believed. (Even their 10nm cpu is 3 years late of scheduled release). AMD is launching their 7nm for laptops in about 5-6 months.
-4 Cores please!!! We work on large spreadsheets & other things whilst surfing & listening to something, and running other programs in the background, we are working adults not children or teenagers. All 4 cores running at 1.8 Ghz is more power efficient than just 2 cores running at 3.6 Ghz, and also more performant because there is less cache thrashing & more execution units to be occupied.

Thin Bezels-Thick bezels take up unnecessary space in your bag, and all that material surely adds to the weight; not to mention that it’s not beautiful.

As a proof that Purism is more than capable of doing all this, please look at the simple internals of the Acer Swift 5 15.6” SF515-51T-73TY, it opens to 180°, quad-core i7-8565U, thin bezelled, all at LESS than 1 Kilogram!

I believe in Purism’s mission, please don’t give customers unnecessary reasons not to buy what would’ve been a perfectly sellable laptop that will expand your potential customer base.


that’s an interesting feature, however, isn’t it easier in this day and age to simply have a pocket size projector?

You can’t do projectors in restaurants & cafes & other settings, a 360° opening would’ve actually been better but I’m trying not to ask for too much. Besides a projector is ANOTHER device that you have to carry with you, in this day & age devices are expected to be multifunctional to justify the cost-benefit of carrying them.

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Very interesting indeed but I think it’s a bit weird for a 13/15" laptop to transform in a tablet, plus it adds the problem of the shiny screen because you’re gonna want a touchscreen on that kind of devices. For that role I think that the Librem 11 project fits better in this kind of use.

I agree that a Ryzen CPU would be very nice but ATM only Intel’s integrated spyware (aka MEI) can be partially removed.

More like a matter of taste, I like to have thick bezels because I know that I’ll be able to disassemble my whole laptop to repair something without breaking anything or having to heatgun all that glue, plus it might be very dumb but I feel safer with thick bezels because I know that it won’t break for quite some time.

Well, that would be 360°, and it’s not weird, I love my Lenovo Yoga 13 :slight_smile:
But it’s pointless without a touchscreen.

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Totally agree with with Caliga, 360° opening & touch screen, Lenovo has such a great product line & at great prices, the only reason I’m bothering with Purism is these manufacturers cannot be trusted, & Lenovo is high on that list – their just remorseless in loading their products with spyware (they’ve been discovered more than once & still keeps on doing it).

Librem 11 tablet vs. Librem 13 convertible – I personally think a Librem 13 convertible is actually more useful, a Librem 11 tablet is just another oversized phone, it will take up about the same area as a Librem 13 convertible with thin bezels (because tablets will need the thicker bezels) just slightly thinner but won’t stand up in you lap.

A Librem 13 convertible is actually not a weird proposition, it’s actually better (just look at the effort Dell is putting into their new XPS 13 2-in-1 laptops with IceLake); for those still in doubt please check out the HP EliteBook x360 1040 G6 – this thing passed MIL-STD-810G test procedures, a testament to it’s durability, so you’d have less reason to fix what is not easily broken.

I believe in Purism’s mission, but for that mission to succeed well into the future (succeed, not just survive, or worst die), Purism will need to attract a larger customer base to fund ever better security & privacy customisations and product & operating system development, you need money for these things. There are more of us who want privacy & security AND at the same time great features & specs than those who simply want the former & just settle for a low-spec restricted feature device. Please don’t force us to buy from System76 (another reason why Purism should step up it’s game) or worse mainstream brands that we cannot trust.

The thing is, in this forum you’ll find dozens of opinions which features are missing and have to be added to make it viable.
Purism says they have steady growth and want to pay development without depending on loans, if possible.
So far, the laptops are only lightly customized OEM models, and yet rather expensive.
I’m sure they will up their game, but they are only about 5 years old. Give em some time to grow, healthily. :sunglasses:


USB-C power cable - Avoid tech-trash!
More than 1 USB-C slot - Obviously when having USB-C power cable in place
Thunderbold - Who’s not working with a docking station?!?
4-Core 7nm AMD Ryzen - Logo!
Dual dimm RAM slots - Definitely!

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3:2 or 16:10 aspect ratio - I’m curious why more laptops don’t support this. Recent Macs, the Microsoft Surface line, and others are moving this direction, but there hasn’t been widespread adoption. Might it be a supplier issue? It may be just me, but I don’t see a ton of people in this community consuming large amounts of media (movies, tv shows) on these devices. The audience seems to me more privacy-minded professionals. For these tasks a 3:2 or 16:10 aspect ratio seems to make a lot of sense. I think it’s unfortunate we have designed screens around the aspect ratio of media we consume rather than getting things done. Feel like this would be a nice differentiator for Purism laptops.
USB-C charging - Future proofing

Other than those two things, I’m ready to buy either the 13 or 15 today. Probably the 13 because of the asymmetrical touchpad on the 15. I don’t use the number pads at all, so seems like a waste in my opinion, but realize others may use it quite often. Happy to go with the 13 as a result.


I’m probably not a potential customer of the laptop at the current time - so take with a grain of salt - but photos are important to me and for me that is all 16:9 and consistent with my TVs and external monitors. (So if I make the display squarer -> 16:10 -> 3:2 -> 4:3, I am wasting more and more screen real estate.)

Also, getting too “out there” with different aspect ratios can get annoying with certain applications that assume approximate screen real estate. A good application adjusts automatically or can be configured appropriately but …

Another consideration is if a use case requires display mirroring then it can be easier if the built-in display matches the external monitor (in both aspect ratio and approximate resolution).

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