Librem 5 — Promise Delivery Chart

Danke! :smiley:

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I think you should add the following promise to your post:

A few people are interested in this.

Not sure in which way it should be included - do you mean “it is possible to update all remaining binary blobs” or “we hope to eventually free as much of these firmwares as possible”? Also, you probably rather meant Kyle’s earlier response: !?

The promise is

we [will] document the process in our Librem 5 developer docs at some point, when it’s relevant (such as when there’s an update to apply)

In other words, Purism should explain how to update proprietary firmware for Wi-Fi and modem at some point (at least when new firmware is available). The original question was about the proprietary firmware in RAM, so that firmware may also be updatable at some point I guess.

@amosbatto replied in that Hacker News thread that Purism already explained how to update the modem firmware. Now I am expecting explanations how to update the other two things.

My comment is probably a bit clumsy but :
you’re going from someone who says “I would expect” to “The promise is
Isn’t it a bit jumping on conclusion ?

it doesn’t feel like a formal promise

You would be right if you only considered this comment without the context. But the context is what quoted by @Caliga above:

Without a possibility to update firmware, you can end up with an insecure device if any bugs are found in it. Thus even a promise of a “secure” device would not be fulfilled in such case.

People may be interested in reading my comment on Hacker News about the security of firmware blobs, and why I think Purism has the right strategy for achieving change:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25518389

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@Caliga: Thanks again for all the work on this!
One question regarding the FCC / CE Certifications: There was a confirmation that they are still being worked on, If I am not mistaken, but they are not available yet and thus also delayed?

Yes:

Librem 5 Update: Shipping Estimates and CPU Supply Chain

I did not see such statement.

Thanks a lot for confirming what I remembered regarding the ongoing FCC / CE certification. Your second remark left me a bit puzzled though: The statement you linked dates from January 12th - a date at which point the shipping of the final mass production batch Evergreen was already well underway - without the FCC / CE certification promised for the Evergreen batch - to me this already officially proves the delay that should be included in the promise delivery chart. In addition to that, the latest Librem 5 news summary from today does not mention any finalisation regarding this topic - and this would certainly have been the topic of a big separate advertisement post given the fact that even the adaptation of a single app can be the topic of a separate news post. Don’t get me wrong - this has nothing to do with bashing of any sorts, but if there is a delay then this should be noted here to provide an up to date view on the state of the topics.

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Finally working!

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Dev kit works on mainline Kernel: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-support-in-mainline-linux/.

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EU reseller spotted: Linuxnordic.com

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They claim “on stock” and asking DKK 15975 (1 DKK = 0.13 EUR, i.e. 2076 EUR).

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So, now that the Librem 5 has fulfilled shipping parity, where does the promise delivery chart currently stand?

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With a quick glance… Only “release case schematics” seems to have been not done, which mostly impacts only the ability to print your own cool designs and color backcovers (personalized appearances should not be belittled). “Eu reseller” was technically true and there are a few other things on the list I’d say have been barely reached (I’m including one or two that had something change for somewhat understandable reasons and disregarding what level of collaboration may really happened) but reached none the less.

It’s another conversation (in the several other threads) whether the expectations (quality, details etc.) regarding various promises and statements were met, as well as what may be missing from that list that has later been identified as something that reasonably should have been there.

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What do you mean by that?

Only that there was someone selling L5 in Europe. They weren’t affiliated with Purism and they seem to be out of business now, but they did exist. I suppose all the eBay listings could also be considered technically resellers in EU :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

In Germany there is a shop www.floss-shop.de dedicated a products around OpenSource. I’ve bought there things already: OpenPGP cards, USB dongles and such stuff. They don’t sell (at least not anymore) Purism products with this rationale:
Warum wir keine Purism Produkte mehr anbieten | Blog | FLOSS Shop DE
(use a translator to read this page in German).
It’s a pity and Purism should re-think about this.

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