Still Five Eyes though. 
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Oh yeah, very true. Iâm just saying many here have other worries
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my computer/smart-phone is WAY better than me at following orders on my âbehalfâ 
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How do you know? Have you tried any of them?
Tried the 2g and blackberry but not the pinephone or librem yet but the hardware seems too weak for software to make it fast enough for what I think of as the modern day phone speed.
Right so you have no idea. Cool 
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My feelings are at critical hurt hurt now 
but fair enough. Iâm just very sceptical of its performance.
Remember, prices are artificially low as it concern electronics. The reason is China. Not ironically, prices will return to real due to China. Itâs our frame of reference which is skewed.
Moreover, markets in general are illusory. Just look at the commodities market. Iâve watched gold and notably silver be manipulated for YEARS. Meanwhile, here in modernity, we have supercomputers plugged into the exchanges, manipulating markets with AI/quasi-AI. You also have companies like Google, who boast theyâre able to predict the future within 15 minutes of it happening. Human action it self can, and is most likely being manipulated too.
Is the Librem 5 expensive? Yes, Iâd say so, as subjective as that is. Though, how much has it cost us, societally and otherwise, to do business with Google and Apple, etc.?
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You guys and this forum is pretty cool. I am Linux stupid(lazy) but I have a friend who convinced me to switch to Linux. I use Mint 19.3 on my desktop and I love it. I just want to get free of Google and the data harvestors/trackers. I am poor but I would have paid more just to do that by itself. The desktop to mobile convergance thing Iâll get figured out with my Linux friend. Between him and you folks it will be my daily driver. I want this phone more than about anything else. I got a feeling it is going to be really cool!
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#tackling-one-impossible-task-at-a-time
I hope it will be cool too. Pretty sure everybody does except the men in suits inside google HQ.
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Eh, I dropped 2k for a L5USA, so 1,200 donât seem so bad. Better than giving my money to Apple or Google.
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It is not expensive, because it a device made especially for US and purely GNU+Linux, it protects you and gives you privacy more libre.
This high price also include Phosh development, L5 development, L5 machine, Purism survival.
Peoples pay high price for Iphone devices or Android devices which they donât even own their machines, worse they are watched and controlled over, and finally in a short time their borrowed machines become obsolete. With L5 it is the complete opposite of the typical and bad things.
Librem 5 for Elite. 
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Companies are giving away those cheap spy phones for such low prices - that must be an indicator of how much the spy industry values our data (and you can bet that theyâre making more off it than the difference in price here). Just another sign something is fishy with this âphoneâ market.
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I totally agree with the philosophy but I donât think your bank / credit card issuer is going to accept that argument. At the end of the day, Purism expects to be paid in currency and your bank / credit card issuer is going to expect you to have those funds available. In that sense it is expensive.
I really do think that the new price will limit the market for the Librem 5. I probably wouldnât buy a second phone at that price e.g. when Mrs Wadeâs current phone needs replacement.
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I donât care if a phone like this gets RYF even because I will not spend so much money for a mobile phone that is very early and not powerful in comparison to libre computers. I appreciate that purism has put loads of work in but I simply will not pay so much for a phone. The cost is desktop territory. Some are willing to pay still but I donât really like throwing money around.
Other phones being cheap garbage that makes back money from spying is relevant to the price of the L5 but it doesnât change the fact that it is far too costly for a mobile phone. I remember laughing when I saw iphones going pay 1.5K because it is just stupid. Mobile phones are devices prone to damage and usually very difficult to do any sort of repair on. Even if the maker of the phone makes it easy to replace some parts such as display or battery, water damage is painful and being a device you take outside, this L5 doesnât have almost any water protection means that the device wonât last so long.
I donât really get the point of this discussion.
Weâve established that everyone has different priorities. Millions of people are buying $1200 walled-garden phones nowadays because they feel itâs worth it to them. But itâs equally ok to choose not to.
You can buy a Librem or a Pinephone Pro. Either is a decent choice for an experimental Linux phone. So why not celebrate the fact that we have options, and embrace that weâre a diverse crowd, and that anything thatâs important for me might be completely irrelevant for you, and vice versa?
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Itâs price feedback from the market.
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