Privacy versus Freedom

The term “privacy” appears everywhere these days: Google advertises the privacy of gmail; Facebook advertises the privacy of WhatsApp; Apple advertises the privacy of the iPhone; and Purism advertises the privacy of the Librem 5.

Anyone paying attention should know that each of these companies except Purism actively and intentionally undermines people’s privacy every day. So why can these companies get away with these blatant lies? They should be subject to constant ridicule for these transparently deceitful and manipulative ad campaigns.

Yet, that has not occurred. People generally shrug and patiently wait for the bald-faced lie of an ad to continue.

Why? Because I believe the general public has accepted the lie that privacy is something that someone else takes care of for them. In this misguided view, how would gmail become private? Google would act trustworthily with our data, and we would take their word for it. How would WhatsApp or the iPhone be privacy-respecting? We would take the word of Facebook and Apple that these blackbox products would not do anything creepy to us, and, without proof, we would hopefully be correct.

This approach to privacy will never work, because people cannot verify privacy obtained in this way, but instead just trust the company that offers the product. And Google, Facebook, and Apple cannot be trusted to respect your privacy, because they don’t actually care at all about your privacy. They will always prioritize making money first. So Google will always harvest your gmail data to manipulate you, WhatsApp will always collect creepy amounts of data while running on your phone, and the iPhone will always collect your biometric and health data without your consent, because they can sacrifice your privacy to make money.

I submit that for Purism to focus on privacy in its advertising is misguided. We don’t need more ads about privacy, but we could use more ads and awareness about freedom. Tech freedom is about more than privacy, but freedom is a prerequisite for privacy. If I have the freedom to modify WhatsApp to do what I want on my own device, I can strip out the creepy data collection. Thus, freedom allows me to accomplish privacy. Without freedom, I just have to take Facebook’s word that they are respecting my privacy, which will never work.

Emphasizing the freedom enabled by Librem devices will allow Purism great differentiation over other companies, whereas talking about privacy just makes them one more in the pack. Google, Facebook, and Apple will continue to promise privacy if only you just trust them, but they will never offer their customers freedom, because freedom runs directly against their business model of asserting as much control as possible over your technology and life. Purism does offer freedom to its customers, and I value that much more than a promise of privacy. And in any case, I know that only with freedom do I have any hope of attaining privacy anyway.

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I not sure what you talk about, but Freedom from English do not mean Libre, same to Privacy.

Purism is not Libre Software defender anymore. Next Purism Electronics and OS will ship more priopietary software via Librem OS even via Pure OS too.

Purism was Good, now is Evil. IMHO

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You must be thinking of the word “free,” which can mean either gratis or libre. “Freedom,” however, never means gratis.

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See also:

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PureOS does not and will not ever contain proprietary software.

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Both the Bootloader, Modem and Jail .debra packages which contains BLOBs it using PureOS to update the controllers.

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I like this blog post, but I still think that dialling up the focus on freedom as opposed to privacy could really differentiate Purism. That blog post is still mostly focusing on privacy.

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I believe something slightly different i.e. that the general public don’t understand or if they do understand then they don’t care. Hence the prevalence of both social media and “free” services.

Even though it’s not directly relevant, I think all the massive data breaches that have occurred have percolated into the consciousness of the general public and they are starting to ask questions about what is being collected, who collects it, who stores it, who accesses it, what it’s used for, how long it is kept for, …

Indeed, how would gmail be private when their business model, completely disclosed to all and sundry, is rampantly harvesting data about you in order to sell targeted advertising to advertisers?

And you can replace Google with any social media company. That is their business model.

The only time that Google or the social media companies care about your privacy is when data leaks to some other company, including but not limited to when the other company that purchases the data from the source company manages to use the data in an unexpected or unapproved way.

I’m undecided as to where Apple fits in all of this but one thing is certain: you have no possibility whatsoever to audit what data Apple collects and how it uses that data.

Talking about messaging services generally, it is more complicated if the service uses end-to-end encryption (where encryption here means “true encryption” e.g. no backdoor, no escrowed keys, purely implemented in the two endpoint client devices, no leakage out of the client - with the understanding that if it’s a closed source client, you can’t readily audit that).

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I think Purism’s focus generally is two-fold: yes, privacy, but also security.

Freedom can fit in there but what exactly does “freedom” mean? (different things to different people)

Freedom from? Freedom to? Presumably both?

And what would someone use that freedom for? You may use your freedom in order to strip out “creepy data collection” but obviously the general public cannot and hence would not. The general public is relying on the creepy data collection not being there in the first place (via, if nothing else, the power of defaults).

Fairly obviously you can compromise a good device with bad choices and, yes, freedom means even the freedom to make bad choices.

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Both the Bootloader, Modem and Jail .debra packages which contains BLOBs it using PureOS to update the controllers.

True but we know, since the beginning, it can’t be avoided for now :man_shrugging:

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FWIW, I believe that this is incorrect. Out-of-the-box PureOS on the Librem 5 does not contain a blob for the modem. This is the normal and routine situation. Yes, there are occasions when a customer has a problem with the modem and contacts Purism Support and then the customer will be directed to the location of updated modem firmware to stuff into the modem (so the customer’s phone’s disk may temporarily contain that blob).

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Purism’s articles of incorporation specifically state, “the hardware and software offered by Purism shall conform to the philosophy of the Free Software movement.

So, we can start there. The Free Software movement identifies four software freedoms: to use the software as one wishes, to study and modify, to redistribute, and to redistribute modified copies.

Of course, freedom can take on other meanings, but this should be a great focal point for Purism to differentiate itself from other companies.

EDIT: when software respects these freedoms, then the software is free, but we also want people to be free, hence the phrase: “free software, free people.” The bottom line for most people will be their own enhanced freedom to use their device how they wish, and to enable/disable functionality of the device as they wish.

EDIT 2: the freedom advantage of Purism devices goes beyond software. For example, the Librem 5 allows the freedom to turn off the microphone, and to remove and replace the battery. On a hardware level, these are features that Purism offers, but Apple, Google, and Samsung do not.

EDIT 3: the benefits of software freedom also go way beyond merely privacy. For example, Google decided that people shouldn’t be able to play YouTube videos on mobile devices with the screens off, unless people pay fora subscription. With software freedom, many anti-features like that become impossible.

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To be fair though I actually really respect Purism a lot that somebody on the forums can post, “PureOS was Good, now is Evil” and not get banned off of the forum. I think there are some users who look at Purism forums and end up getting frustrated by the narrative on the forums that Purism will take your money, not send you a product, and operate in anti-consumer ways. For any normal company the solution to that sort of problem is clearly to just ban anyone who disagrees with the company narrative.

But I’m literally writing this post from a Purism hardware. I have increased the percentage of my time & life that is spent on Purism hardware instead of non-Purism hardware in the last few years, and I have enjoyed subtle but tremendous (in my opinion) benefits as a result. I’ve ripped apart my phone to prove I can in a social setting, broken it, then taped it back together, then ordered a replacement for the one key component that I broke, eventually getting the device back to 100% without ever needing to take it to some sort of repair or service person. I’ve swapped out the hard drive of my laptop for fun, run a different OS for a bit, swapped it back, replaced the battery after I generally burned up the battery with less-than-stellar battery practices… and the story goes on.

And that kind of story maybe isn’t that evident to someone who reads Purism forums and finds themselves reading about Librem 5 refund stories gone terribly wrong, or whatever else. I posted about space aliens coming to Earth on the Purism forums and my post was appreciated as funny and entertaining, and a user asked me if they could publish it in a journal they run. Meanwhile, on some “modern” social media system, I similarly posted about the space aliens in a social group about “the space aliens” and was IP banned (for both the account I created, and for any attempt to rejoin with a new account).

Controlling the narrative is now one of the most profitable things companies (or anybody really) can do, and although I can’t hardly stand to read the Purism blog posts anymore because I often feel like it’s providing an emotional appeal rather than new information lately – and I don’t know if this is just AI or perhaps I shall say the writing style – here on the forums we literally have “PureOS was Good, now is Evil” and that’s just literally allowed. No citation. The evidence is Carlos’s “IMHO” acronym. But yet he is still allowed to say this.

Is everything I wrote until now off-topic for this? Is it about Freedom and not Privacy? Maybe so. But by posting on Purism forums, I am deciding to reduce my privacy. Strictly speaking, I assume privacy to mean how much we prevent our information from becoming available to other people. I could live naked in a glass house, where all of my neighbors can see anything about me. But I assume that if I did this, my life would be measurably worse. Over time, people would see that the house was made of glass and they could watch my entirely life through the walls. If I received a cash paycheck, they could come and ask for some of the money because they could see it through the wall and knew it was payday. If I was dating a woman but more enthralled by some artwork on the internet than by that woman, she could look through the glass walls at my privacy-less naked live and gauge to what extent I was enthralled by the internet artwork rather than by her, using context clues about my body or body language. Suddenly my every weakness would be usable against me by the people around me. Sometimes they might use that to suggest remedies to the weaknesses and make me stronger, but other times they might use that opportunity to make fun of me and belittle me or worsen my life - or to benefit themselves at my expense.

And yet, this idea of living naked in a glass house is not very far away from how people are living in modern society. One does not need to look too far to find that the notion of using WiFi to do echolocation like a bat is a decades old concept shown to be completely viable. More recent allegations suggest that machine learning can decode the echolocation data to predict more accurate visuals representing what is within the houses, possibly even better than what something from 10 years ago would have given based only on the raw data.

When we couple that situation with feeding national-scale databases of that kind of information peering into everyone’s home, through their walls, building a roughly accurate 3D model of where they are and what they are doing, to then feed that information into learning machines to categorize what steps to take to arrive at desired corporate goals for society, we get to a pretty big problem. The WiFi off-switch on Purism hardware is a great example of a simple but powerful step towards helping to solve that problem, although the compromise of skipping this feature on Librem 11 means that not all Purism hardware helps with Privacy in this specific way.

My post here will probably be consumed by machine learning systems. Maybe they will use this information to predict who I am, and how my apparent knowledge and skill set (or lack thereof) will affect their plans. It seems that nobody has any established right to “privacy” in the sense of an established right to not have the data they shed be fed into machine learning systems. It also seems that Purism is unlikely to save us from this, since their focus is on personal hardware and devices that we choose to buy, rather than on corporate devices that buy and sell “us” in the sense of the data that we previously shed (such as me writing this post).

I recently challenged a coworker to steal ~/.ssh/flag, a new file I created on my Librem 5, to see if he can do it to prove he can compromise this important and private directory on my device. I doubt that he will succeed. In this way, Purism provides us some “privacy” in a manner similar to an early 2000s internet hacker. However, if we look at the accomplishments of those same 2000s internet hackers such as Gary McKinnon finding proof of aliens hidden at NASA in the year 2002, it stands to reason that this kind of extremely left-brained and mathematical privacy might not actually help us with too much if the enemy of our species that has constructed the modern technocracy and intentionally eroded human freedom… actually consists of beings who can build nanobots constructed from neutrinos with the power to pass between the atoms of your head, or your hard drive, completely undetected in either case, to then proceed to monitor and transfer back the information they find there to some long-distant home base. We could call that a conspiracy theory, but it’s largely consistent with the declarations made on AATIP Slide 9 by internal United States government investigations several years ago.

Although not calling out any sort of space aliens, the presentation that Luis Elizondo and/or his colleagues were giving at that time literally states, “The science exists for an enemy of the United States to manipulate both physical and cognitive environments in order to penetrate U.S. facilities, influence decision makers, and compromise national security.

If the governments of the world are up against that, then what are we as individual citizens truly facing? If something so ludicrous as this actually did exist, then it would stand to reason that the only means by which I was ever able to write this ridiculous post or share my seemingly ridiculous thoughts might actually be an equally terrifying and capable force using technological advancements to defend me, so that I can post these ludicrous thoughts without having my mind altered by their weaponized “science” to thus not post and not state my mind.

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Test your accent, do you pronounce the “i” in Privacy with a long-”i” like most Americans or with a short-”i” like the British?

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Pronouncing privacy with an American accent instead of British is a sure sign of freedom :wink:

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Pronouncing “privacy” any way you want is the surest sign of freedom.

Long-“i” here is more common as far as I know but that’s a claim not supported by presenting any statistics. If the government would take privacy seriously, I don’t care how they pronounce it. :wink:

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Hi wierdnerd,

i am from Germany and we had the stupid world war and Nazis. So i know that some information can have a high value, just to end your life.

Privacy in the first place seems that it have nothing to do at all with it. But it has. Since we live in a world with computers and networks and filters and a high personalisation of information about your life its hard to have control about how other humans will experience yourself. The true kind of humans got dizzy in a world where every picture and information snip of there life got managed by others.

You know that a trade mark is not the real person. Like as every Tuber or Social Media star. They are not on stage like they are on private level in families backyard.

The internet will die soon because of Artificial Slob Massages and contents. And maybe this will take some privacy back for the one which do not use it. But i think they will just lost Connection to some powerful grid.

Privet right now are only your thought if you have not message or talk with someone over computers or internet and if you were no brain computer interface. Having some A.I. around you helping for something it will leak everything….

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I agree. Then there is also the matter of “security” that one can try to relate to “freedom” and “privacy”.

For me it seems like those three come in a certain order, like this:

  • first you must have freedom, without that you cannot even start to try to get the other things
  • then, once you have freedom, you can try to get security
  • then, once you have freedom and security, you can try to get privacy

So, privacy is the most difficult one. Freedom is the most important one because it is the foundation that enables everything else.

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I don’t belief it. It’s just a trend to say it nowadays, but the internet is more than YouTube and Trash-Pages generated by AI. Or wait, do I speak with a bot? :winking_face_with_tongue:

Makes no sense. As less freedom as you have, as more you need privacy to protect yourself. Let’s say you’re homosexual and living in a country where you can get prisoned. First you need privacy before you can have at least a bit of the freedom you need to live a bit of the homosexual life.

In different contexts these three things are related differently. But overall I would say there is no order. All three things can only exist with the other two - especially on long run.

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No, it makes perfect sense to me. The context of your analogy might be too different from “tech” to really be helpful, but even applying your analogy, I think it works the same: in order to establish any privacy, a persecuted person would need some level of freedom—freedom to go where they wish, freedom to block their house windows, freedom to exclude others from entering (locking the doors). It’s the same with technology. If I don’t have the freedom to reliably turn off the microphone and radios of my device, I cannot even start to pursue genuine privacy.

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