That’s not even funny.
Is that what they told Amber users (that’s what this L5 was) to wait for Byzantium?
I bought it two years ago. I’ve been 2 years with one issue after another. And reading some posts here, letting beta versions through (that’s what they are) is what causes more issues.
I get it. They don’t want to waste more time on Byzantium and are hoping they can make things work this time around with Crimson. Looking more and more like Windoze - they still don’t have DOD working right, so they too changed the name to Command Prompt. and that didn’t fix things either.
Purism’s history is rank with ‘wait for fixes’, OS versions, hardware versions, BS versions.
It costs me $1200 for this paper weight and the suggestion is out there that I buy a Liberty phone - for $2751.22 CAD as of today and what, wait for Crimson?
I may be dumb, but I’m not a idiot. Stupid, yes, for believing the ads.
IMO, there is a reason why this is a new problem. OLD HARDWARE, no support. I mean support that can fix things and not just make another paper weight to take it’s place.
I wonder. Are they still using hardware in Crimson from the old days (2017)? I hope not, for the sake of those that fall prey to the ads.
And it was working so good for a few days.
BTW, it started after a upgrade downgrade snuck in.
Damned go thing Puri doesn’t make planes, cars, chalk boards, pencils…
Just use another spy phone part Time of your live in addition. I would have some Free Google Pixel with Graphen OS, and without Google Code.
However to have a future, for you and your forks… try to enhance that Linux one. I am fine with a Linux Computer as phone in addition to my Computers in Cloud and Online. Like have RSS, and an A.I. which solve every issue by processing Information for what i do not like to have some App, too.
But yes my Phone stuck and i have to restart it the hard way too. And i have lots of Android Phones where i can separate the power supply due to a change able battery too. And Androids have the freeze too - on L5 i just can disconnect it and do not have to wait for a full drain like on the modern Phones without accessable batteries…
I’m rare. I just wanted a phone able to send/receive texts w/ /w pics, and the odd phone call. That’s all. The ads never suggested these things are for hobbyists. Quite the opposite actually. They promote them as being better than the dupo spyphones except with better security. Pa-shaw!
I don’t want to have guess if ‘friends’ received my message, or pics or wonder if anyone sent a text think I’m ignoring them. They have to get to a landline and call my LL from there to ask if I can receive pictures yet. >:(
I don’t want to become a hobbyist though I admire and respect those who like to tinker. Not my bailiwick.
This is a new issue, and something causes it. I’m betting some hardware is obsolete and the update didn’t consider older phones made with older 'wares.
If I could “enhance” this thing, it would behave the way the ads suggest.
same as before, byzantium but after many unsuccessful flashing’s, we discovered that it was “Amber” so I had to backup and install Byzantium over Amber. See Time to flash is now - but how?
So, thanks to you, FranklyFlawless amarok and others, we got Byzantium on it and flashed.
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So, what I was hinting is that you could reflash again but this time flash crimson - which @FranklyFlawless may be best able to guide you to achieve (since I am still running byzantium).
crimson is based on a later release of the underlying Debian distro code base, and should contain some bugfixes which were long ago addressed in Debian but which therefore have not been addressed in PureOS (at least not on the Librem 5).
But if you were to do that then you would be flashing crimsonbefore it is officially released, hence my actual suggestion to wait until crimson is officially released.
Since following @Sharon’s various topics/posts, my conclusion is that their Librem 5 issues are somehow unable to be fully addressed, even after reflashing it with Byzantium and sending it in to Purism support. Therefore, I see two options left:
Reflash with Crimson.
Get a new Liberty Phone with anti-interdiction.
I do not think reflashing Byzantium again will accomplish much in this particular case. There is a high probability that replacing this Librem 5 with a new device will resolve these various issues, and the Liberty Phone with anti-interdiction will provide some insight as to whether or not it is a worthy target. At the moment, I consider @Sharon’s Librem 5 fully compromised and marked as untrusted.
Apart from the bug that’s the topic of this thread, which many of us are also experiencing from time to time, Sharon has had a unique set of issues with her L5, leading to lots of frustration.
I question whether flashing Crimson, which the devs have already said is not ready, will result in satisfaction. But then, I haven’t used it myself, so I could be wrong.
In any case, it’s easy to reflash Byzantium if Crimson doesn’t work out.
And neither have I, which is why I tagged Frankly. He could comment on whether he has ever experienced hang-on-shutdown with crimson and, if so, at what approximate rate. He could comment on how ready crimson is.
As far as reflashing byzantium goes, I think it is stated above that the problems started happening after an update - which could mean that reflashing from the original disk image (if kept - I certainly do) would make the problem go away but it would come back later on after updates are applied. So while that would narrow down the problem, and help to troubleshoot it, it would not lead to an ultimately successful outcome.
As you say, it actually only takes a few minutes to reflash either way, provided that nothing goes wrong with the reflash.
I do not share any issues with @Sharon on either Byzantium or Crimson, but my use cases dramatically differ from them. Most of the time, I use Firefox ESR, Secrets, Lollypop, and Shortwave, while fetching SMS every 8-48 hours when appropriate, otherwise I am constantly in Lockdown Mode. I prefer asynchronous communication, so I never initiate or respond to calls on the Librem 5, nor do I use Bluetooth. While Crimson might be acceptable for me, I cannot provide any guarantee whether it will be appropriate for anyone else.
The phone has not been interdictionized. If it were if would have to be in the kernel. or hardware and Puri support had it long enough to detect that.
Any way, I already pointed out why I would not buy anything else from Puri at this time. Also, I think I’d just be buying in to the same problems. Trust is earned.
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Okay, well the only half-baked suggestion I have left is buying a used Librem 5 from a previous owner, but that can carry its own set of problems that would be difficult to reverse the decision.
Yes. I have that suggestion as well as blowing $2k on a Liberty phone with anti-interdiction.
I have 2 fully baked suggestions.
Fix Byzantium before creating another digital monster.
Swap this possessed, old and decrepit device from nightmares for a phone that isn't made with antique fork(?), parts and over-tweaked kernel.
I know I'll never be able to get a replacement. But it's clear that this is a device with old hardware that needed tweaking to be passable - but like soup, too many cooks tweaks spoil the broth device.
Too bad there ins’t a list of the what-ever-they-are things like Amber, Fir, Evergreen, Byzantium… etcetera. Are they “forks”, OS.
I tried to find a history but alas I couldn’t any after 40 minutes of reading and chasing down links.
Amber, Byzantium, Crimson, and Dawn are colors. They are code names for the PureOS version.
A-(I forgot the first name), Birch, Chestnut, Dogwood, Evergreen, and Fir are trees. They are code names for the different Hardware versions of the Librem 5 device specifically.
Most of the Librem5s in use today are Evergreen with PureOS Byzantium. Does this make sense?
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Caveat: @anyone Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Derivative Linux distros need to keep up with the distribution they’re based on, i.e. DebianOS > PureOS, or else they run the risk of missing important security updates, package fixes, or system changes.
There are very specific reasons the particular components for the Librem 5 were chosen by Purism. This community FAQ provides a lot of the background info, especially this section.
The Linux kernel is “tweaked” out of necessity to run the hardware and the applications.
6.1. What are the Aspen, Birch, Chestnut, Dogwood, Evergreen and Fir batches?
If you have the interest and resources to do so, you could attempt to fix Byzantium yourself, as PureOS is gratis and libre open-source software. Otherwise, the PinePhone Pro is another suggestion I mentioned in a different topic using different hardware, but it does not have an OpenPGP card slot.
