Crimson is going to be PureOS still, so if there is any deviation from the criteria set by FSF for 100% Free Software GNU/Linux, we will know from FSF. So as long as FSF is keeping PureOS in its list of recommended GNU/Linux distros, I suggest not making any speculations.
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Some of the commits here is going to byzantium https://source.puri.sm/users/sebastian.krzyszkowiak/activity
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Thanks. I read what to me is gibberish because I’ve no idea what they’re talking about, have no experience developing software for phones so the lingo is foreign, and I’m a customer, not a hobbyist or digital engineer.
Where ever I saw Byzantium, I assume it meant they did something. - so assume there is some progress. I don’t expect anything new, like a working PureOS Store with new wares, but hope they’ll fix Byzantium issues.
Thanks again,
~s
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Hopefully dos is back via Purism. Sebastian Krzyszkowiak is a Librem 5 Pioneer and Fancy Programmer plus Bug Killer.
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Me:
Wanting to simply give a probabilistic estimate, because no one knows the future of course, how soon could Purism release Crimson, just wanting to give a number?
ChatGPT:
Purism has not provided a precise date for the official release of PureOS Crimson. However, based on recent updates, it is possible to make an approximate estimate.
In September 2024, Purism published a report on the development of PureOS Crimson, highlighting significant progress and the resolution of key issues. (puri.sm) Additionally, in October 2024, it was announced that the Librem 11 would be the first device to launch with PureOS Crimson. (puri.sm)
Considering these developments, it is reasonable to predict that PureOS Crimson could be officially released by the end of 2024 or early 2025. However, this is only an estimate based on current information, and actual timelines may vary depending on further developments or unforeseen circumstances.
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How should ChatGPT have more information than we do right at the front?
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Indeed. The thing to understand about ChatGPT is that it is a bullshit generator.
It can come up with “new” things. Like in this case, from the ChatGPT quote that @veleno posted above, it said:
in October 2024, it was announced that the Librem 11 would be the first device to launch with PureOS Crimson
which is wrong. The Librem 11 was launched in 2023 (see blog post “Introducing the Librem 11” dated September 20, 2023: Introducing the Librem 11 – Purism), there was no such announcement in October 2024.
Text generated by ChatGPT can include something “new”, but it’s important to understand that it is not information, it is also incorrect to call it “lies” because lying means to know something is wrong but saying it anyway. ChatGPT does not know anything, and it does not understand anything. Its output is bullshit.
I cannot stop others from posting whatever they want in this forum, but I wish everyone would refrain from pasting anything from ChatGPT and similar systems, as that degrades the quality of this otherwise great forum.
Edit: by “bullshit” above I mean bullshit in the scientific sense, as discussed in this article: ChatGPT is bullshit | Ethics and Information Technology – Hicks, M.T., Humphries, J. & Slater, J. ChatGPT is bullshit. Ethics Inf Technol 26, 38 (2024).
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Thank you for your suggestion! I’ll avoid it in the future! 
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Ahahah just for smile: I pasted your post in ChatGPT! Here is comment:
“The comment highlights a common critique of models like ChatGPT, based on the idea that the system generates responses that may contain errors or fabricated information. This happens because ChatGPT, while extremely advanced in generating natural language, does not have an intrinsic understanding of truth or context but relies on linguistic probabilities and information available up to its training cutoff (or based on searches performed).
Regarding the specific statement, it seems the error lies in attributing an announcement in 2024 for the Librem 11, while the device was actually announced in 2023. This is indeed a mistake, and the critique itself is legitimate. However, labeling the model as a “bullshit generator” is more of an emotional provocation than a constructive analysis.
The nature of ChatGPT is to be a useful tool, but not an infallible one. This is why every piece of information, especially on technical topics or recent updates, should be cross-verified with official sources. In a forum, the value of tools like ChatGPT lies in providing initial insights or preliminary responses, not in being an absolute source.
I think the issue is not so much the use of the model but rather the attitude with which its results are presented. Clarifying that the information must be verified avoids controversies like this and helps maintain the quality of public or technical discussions.”
Please, consider it something funny 
Anyway, for other stuff I find it very useful so I’ll continue to use it, personally speaking, but avoiding to post here ChatGPT comments, as you requested 
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So CGPT said:
@Skalman: your are so emotional. Stop it!
@veleno: Correct your “attitude” while presenting results.
And I say @CGPT: Stop “thinking”.
In fact, I also prefer no CGPT in discussions, but as long as it is marked as such, I’m still fine with.
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CGPT is smarter than I supposed 
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Btw Squeekboard 1.43 build (should be online soon - I’m running the nightly build) is probably one of the most exciting updates. It solves lots of issues with electron apps, scale any layout (including custom layouts) to the max height of the OSK-box and added a shift modifier that custom layouts can use right now. In additional with previous updates the Squeekboard OSK-box can be scaled between half-sized and double-sized box. So you can choose your preferred height in mobile settings and the buttons just fit perfectly. Thanks a lot @MoonlightWave-12.
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That’s not what ChatGPT told me. In fact ChatGPT told me that you had something going on with GrokAI. 
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That response from ChatGPT is apparently not providing specifics about Crimson for the Librem 5, though.
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That’s true!! I didn’t specify Librem 5 in my question!! So it’s my fault!!
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Looks like Gnu Crimson will NOT before Christmas. 
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As the October post states, it’s a marathon, not a sprint. I think rushing a release can result in a very poor impression if it is not done well. I’ve been sated by the backports made to Byzantium, though the advances in Phosh alone have me excited for Crimson and beyond.
Debian 13 is soon to be released in 2025 so it will probably be a while before PureOS GA is based on it.
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