Enough is enough with Firefox

Actually we have those main browsers (lucky the era of IE predominance is history)

Firefox: opensource but allow drm :expressionless:

librewolf: firefox fork, focus on security

icecat: ex Icewheasel, focus on libre/free components

Waterfox: as I seen is a clone of firefox

In your opinion which is the best to use? I’m interested in privacy e non drm stuff.

Librewolf, icecat or IE emulated by wine :wink: ?

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You have an option to reject DRM, so what is your point here?

About LibreWolf:

LibreWolf is a customized version of Firefox with the primary goals of privacy, security and freedom.

Mulvad browser has similar goals, but based on ESR.

No it is not. There are some privacy settings made (not as far as other forks) and I read AI crap is also deleted.

I’m using LibreWolf on phone and PC.

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I’m using librewolf too.

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Dear Ick, i know you fancy on browsers knowledge. I not use Firefox or Librewolf.
Why you thinking that Librewolf is better than Firefox? or simply it make you in peace because ship ā€˜Libre’ word before Wolf?

Thanks of advance.

LibreWolf has multiple advantages. First of all, it removes telemetry, Google search and other privacy invasive things. Next it improves privacy settings and expose some from about:config into the common settings for easier access (as resist fingerprinting or letter boxing). Once I reported that complexity.ai was introduced into LibreWolf (better said, not removed), in less than 24h the removal was merged.
You can also see a privacy comparison of browsers here.

But it also comes with build in containerization. So you can open the same page in two or more tabs with two or more containers, which makes the page ā€œthinkā€ you are 2 or more people visiting this page. You just have to pre-define the containers, but this feature is pretty cool and build-in in a way that feels as it was ever part of the browser.

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Vielen Dank :folded_hands:

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I’m curious to know why, being paranoid on privacy, Purism didn’t include by default Librewolf instead of Firefox.. :thinking:

Both Librewolf and Firefox ship Android/Linux ADN, which bloat Gnu PureOS Mobile.
SystemD is malware from Windows.
Wayland is clone from Apple IOS.

Opensource will never telling you that things.

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Well, the best browser for Librem 5 regarding:

  1. integration with the system (PureOS)
  2. light weight
    and
  3. privacy and security

It should be Gnome-web/Epiphany, right?
It just missing yet optimisation..
Please what do you think, @carlosgonz ?

Yes, the best and native browser for L5 is Epiphany. However on gnu crimson lack optimization.

Epiphany on Gnu Dawn will OMG. ALL dawn will omg by changing Cairo for BLT. Super Butter Experience.
BLT is a singularity for L5, no other like L5 level.

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carlosgonz, you have some points. But not everything fit well. Systemd is still open source so you could fit it to your needs. Its from Microsoft, yes but still useful its not so evil as you think because you can read the source. No Wayland is not Apple. Its a minimal needed successor to x11 or xorg!

Opensource will tell you. Have a community or computers or llms to read that stuff or code.

Edit: Epiphany is a nice start - but not a usable html library. However its more then we can expect.. we have no perfect library. But use in future more Programs read or clean today’s reality.

SystemD is a opensource malware as well, so i not using formally pureos either L14 or L5, even more i not using x86 on any machine because too bad too boring, x86 it is for windows_os, so i dont have many reasons to stay on purism and this forum, so i may probably abandon purism and pureos.
The only reason to i still remaining here because dos fancy work for L5, over knowing that dos is not a purely free-software programmers.


UbuntuOS , SteamOS, FedoraOS most GnuLinux destroyers and shamers.

Dos do a good job. Also every free developer.

However its most likely that every new layer or iteration of modern Software or Hardware is more skynet. The fight is not over because of computation. But with LLMS it will be more difficult. I just do not blame systemd because it have some improvements too and i am from the universe where i do not trust 80% but trust myself that i can ignore advertise with /dev/zero

You are right and it is more complex every day to take the trash out. But trust is something we have to have… even if we not have fully calculate the new changes….

But we still have to trust others with self changes before we accept there additions even if we can not have predicted or calculated there benefit before. This is the whole thing about it!

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@dos is an incredible x10 programmer for L5.
s.krzyszkowiak a Mastery-of-Mastering for L5.

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By all the bad news about Firefox in this thread a good news (seams I forgot to share it here): Freedesktop’s XDG Base Directory standard was finally applied to Firefox 147 (after 21 years!). If you use a browser as LibreWolf, you already have it. Otherwise you have to wait for the next ESR release.

But it changes nothing on a installed version as long as you do not delete or rename the browser folder (.mozilla by Firefox itself). On new start the new folders are created. I was too lazy to do it yet, because I want to migrate my profile to the new folders and haven’t checked if a simple copy paste would be enough or if I have to split things.

It’s not only ā€œopen sourceā€ it’s actually Free software. Most of it is LGPL2.1. Some components are GPLv2-or-later and others that are MIT.

Why would you reply to @carlosgonz and use ā€œopen sourceā€ when you could have said that it’s Free … and mostly Copyleft?

It’s not really from Microsoft. As with anything, the devs who developed it worked for many different places. Lennart, the original dev, was working for Red Hat most of the time he was doing systemd (started in 2010; systemd was the default init in Debian by 2015 [Jessie = Debian 8]). Lennart didn’t move to Microsoft until July 2022 … and he recently quit Microsoft to work with some others in a startup (Amutable; About Us - Amutable ).

As an aside: I think that systemd is an insidious destroyer of ecosystem diversity. IMO it was designed to create hard dependencies and fracture the system services structure. Not all Free software is good … and some software is malicious by design.

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Nice try Privacy2,

you look like all of us, to be as a program, follow its needs - like digital or analog biological one. So yes i am a drunken human with likely physical bio intensives - but you nudged me to do this post.

In our right now world or world with precipitation individual nudges and touched personalized behavioral changes - due to a lag of privacy … - it seems to be normal to have this chat in 2000 year old internet forums.

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I’m just pointing out that @carlosgonz dislikes the term ā€œopen sourceā€. If something is Free (as in Libre), he would much prefer it if you use that term. And while I often use FLOSS/FOSS as a middle-ground for most people, I probably wouldn’t these days if I was replying directly to carlosgonz since he has repeatedly made his feelings known.

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OpenSource,FLOSS,FOSS these terms are not primitive and are abusive and misleading to the user.

I am against these terms, especially in systems approved by the FSF; users must respect and know where they are.

So if i hate OpenSource then i do not use it opensource oses like Ubuntu, Linuxmint, Archlinux and most super evil FEDORA, STEAMOS

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I remember a small ā€œopen sourceā€ conference in DC about 20 odd years ago. But it was for the unclas open source intel community (OSINT). One attendee complained bitterly he thought it was about software!

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