order : 2017-10-05
refund requested : 2021-12-14
refund accepted : 2021-12-15
wait for…
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order: 2019-11-17
refund requested: repeatedly, most recently 2021-12-09
refund rejected (was told they were unable to pay, was offered vouchers towards the purchase of their other products). Will complain to the AG when I eventually find the time to do so, but currently have bigger fish to fry.
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Also @john.jay.moore:
I’m going to change the table and sort it by Refund Requested On field, so it matters to have the first date (and not the last) when you requested it. Also I will count the days that passed until someone received the refund (for those who have).
Order date 31/01, 2019
Refund accepted 16/03, 2020
Still waiting for refund
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The table is now sorted by the refund Requested date. Also, more info is compiled in the Note field.
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Backed the librem 5 in 2017. Received an email that device could be shipped in the end of 2021 and asked for a refund then. Was told it would take a few weeks and then did not received a refund. Asked for the refund again and was told it would be refuned in the first week of april. Still not received a refund and now they refuse to give a date.
Other thread on refunds here: 9 Months later and Purism still has my money
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Which means (to me) that you could have sold it (six months ago) here to some Forum member or even through some other public network.
It is up to your initiative on how to deal with it, here is link to the one of several threads showing another approach on how to get your money back:
That doesn’t necessarily follow. Could be shipped does not mean it would be shipped – it may only have been a shipping estimate.
Also, customers shouldn’t have to fall back on the market for used goods to get something approximating a refund.
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I do agree with this judgement of yours indeed. Although I wasn’t actually suggesting selling away received Librem 5 either. Thanks anyway for correcting me, it was clear and purposely needed reaction from your side!
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Were you thinking about transferring the order to another potential customer? That’s also something I wish people weren’t obliged to do. It’s like trying to find someone to pay to take your place in a queue.
Anything between the company and the customer that requires the customer to involve a third party leaves a bitter taste, in my view.
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Yes. And as second, I’m not saying that some Purism employee should be involved there as much (like we were asked at previous point of time on which Librem 5 Batch do we want to get delivered), doing just the final step where seller (perhaps @jox might reconsider such option) of his place within waiting queue sends out message to Purism requesting to transfer his pre-order to someone else (that is final and only official part of such conversation between two people). All I recommended in my above post is that we are having instrument of private message within this Forum where seller of some pre-order (should make new thread by her/himself offers certain place in queue to be sold). Few months ago I already bought one place in queue or rather pre-order this way from someone living within Europe. It was an easy conversation, SEPA money sent out from another EU country and transfer of #Purism_XYYXXXXXXX confirmed from Purism support@ side. As described here:
And here:
Or here:
where @Gagnarf final reply to me over private message was:
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I counter that at this point we’re seeing reports of devices ordered in 2018 being delivered, as such an order from 2017 would very much qualify as having already met their spot in the queue and should have either been shipped or had their refund processed. This is of course taking all claims at face value as there is no meaningful method to validate them from the outside.
Purism has already unilaterally and retroactively changed the agreement from refunds being provided upon request to requiring the customer to wait until their order is available to ship, to delay further does raise further ethical questions in my mind.
How does one estimate when they’ll get a refund if they aren’t being issued when the device would have been shipped as the latest agreement says they would…
While I agree the customer should not have to involve a third party and sell their device themselves or sell their place in the queue it does get them money the fastest, unfortunately it also incentivises Purism to delay as much as possible as then they don’t have to try and sell the device since the people canceling are doing that sales part for them.
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Which ones? I already wrote on how we can leave out and that we can leave out Purism of this game (money from 2017 wasn’t deposited on some Bank account, it was invested into this project, probably even into the NXP® working places in Austin, TX, somewhere where it was used well, as needed in particular building blocks phase) and offer to someone else particular Librem 5 spot in the queue or even give it away as present to someone that we care about or even to someone else that cares about getting and using Librem 5 ASAP. Please refer to this:
and this well thought out criterion:
Providing the refund gets everyone else in the queue their Librem 5 sooner by moving the whole queue up one instead of letting one person cut in line.
Yes it does look like that their Librem 5 will be delivered sooner. But with having those requesting their pre-order money back you’ll get your Librem 5 indeed sooner? I doubt that while money that might be additionally invested into the production of one extra Librem 5 will be gone (if and when refunded), money is lost at the moment when refund provided.
And please note that this post of mine is dialog between us that are interested in Purism success and/or getting Librem 5 into their hands to be used as intended for (to communicate) and not for those that want to prove something that they didn’t pay for in advance.
Ordered: 2017-10-14
Asked for refund: 2021-10-18
Refunded: -
Money received: -
EU customer (Germany)
Promised refunding in “late September”
@chrizz, in the meantime this (as explained within related post) might help you to get your money back earlier (just make a new thread here within this Forum, explaining what you want to sell, if decided to follow what I’m proposing that you might do here):
Ordered: 2018-09-08
Asked for refund: 2020-04-16, 2022-09-06 (after receiving the shipping email)
Refunded: -
Money received: -
EU customer
Received this status update from them 
At this moment the refund processes are slower. As such your refund is
scheduled to be processed in Q1 2023.
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They said they would ship all back ordered phones by the new year. So I’m thinking you should get a refund before then.
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They also said refunds would be issued when they reached your spot in the queue, and that’s without digging into the many other missed self set dates. I would set expectations for q2 2023 at the earliest using past experience to inform future expectations, especially when accounting for the already pushed return time frame from on your spot in the queue to the quarter after your spot in the queue.
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