Estimate your Librem 5 shipping

Well, officially the L5 USA is made of components sourced within the US. So it creates a new line of customers without affecting the regular L5 line.

Moreover, if some fool from the regular L5 line chooses to upgrade to the L5 USA (in the hope to get the bloody “in stock” thing within the “estimated” 90-day frame — like I hoped), then they release their place in the regular L5 line, so, in, theory, that only makes you get your phone sooner.


On the other hand, Purism’s spending on L5 development exceeded planned limits. This happens with new developments. In addition, there was a force majeure - a pandemic. Since Purism is not a technological monster with unlimited financial resources, it was forced to look for a way to ensure the fulfillment of early orders for L5 at a constant price. That’s why new L5 customers pay more, but they also get their phones earlier - it’s a bonus for agreeing to pay more. I can understand the dissatisfaction of those who paid earlier and less, but, as I said, they have a choice. To each his own.

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So let’s say that you are a contractor who builds houses. Someone gives you a down payment to build them a home and you agree to go to work on their new home right away. But then the job is costing you more than you thought it would cost to complete, and you have already spent the down payment money they gave you after you barely completed laying the foundation. But you have to eat. So you put that job on hold and accept a new job, and accept a new down payment for that new job. After that foundation on this second home has been laid you run out of money again, and start yet a third job. This cycle continues hundreds of times.

Eventually, hundreds of people have ruined plans and financial losses because years have passed and the same contractor has taken their money and left them all with their money and property tied up and useless to them. Eventually, the government freezes all funds in the contractor’s bank accounts and suspends the contractor’s business license. At this point, the contractor is prohibited by law from doing any more business until he provides the prosecuting government agencies with a feasible plan to satisfy the contractor’s existing customers who have already waited for years. The plan must be approved before the contractor is allowed to do more business. And the contractor is compelled by law to follow only that approved plan. If the contractor did not violate any laws, he still has to follow the approved plan or go bankrupt. Only one of those two choices exist if no laws were broken and the claims against the contractor are all only civil lawsuits.

But… if any laws were broken, the contractor goes to prison, likely for a long time. Has Purism violated any SEC laws?, any Truth in Advertising laws?, any Anti-Trust laws? Are all of Purism’s new investors ‘qualified investors’? If/when a government believes that you are taking advantage of large numbers of people and delivering little to nothing, they investigate. If you’ve broken any laws that they can prove, you’re probably going to prison. And it’s not about how you justify things in your own mind. It’s not about only the laws that you know about. It only has to do with what the prosecutor find and can convince a jury about, with respect to which statutes were broken and how your actions fit the criteria of the statutes. Basically, if you take money from a lot of people and deliver nothing to them over a period of years, people want to make somebody pay a price. If the scheme collapses before you can find a way to pay everyone, bad things typically happen. Try not to forget about this. Even in a pandemic, criminal laws can be broken and prosecuted, especially if you’ve pissed off enough people who have all lost their money.


The ignore flag for some users doesn’t seem to work, so the best to do is flag the posts as off-topic.

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This is passive-aggressive as hell. I get being critical, and I didn’t remove your previous post when it was marked as off-topic, but I have to ask you to stop before continuing down this road. And it would be nice if you could edit your post to remove the passive agression.


In case it wasn’t mentioned, it looks like purisms lead time is based on the availability of cpu’s (i think they also mentioned that in some outgoing emails). It doesn’t look like anything will change anytime soon, because NXP, the company that produces the i.mx8 cpu that goes into the librem 5 still hasn’t gotten round to replenish their stock. shows the estimated lead time for any of their i.mx8 cpu’s, and they say " * Lead Time: 52". NXP’s website has said that for weeks already, which makes me think like it’s just some kind of maximum value they put on there, and it’ll stay at 52 weeks for the first few weeks to come. There’s been no update on when that might change, or what the current status of their production is.


Purism has better software. That takes a lot of time.

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I hate to spoil a good discussion. But given, that this thread is about tracking the L5 shipments, I really would like all of that banter to happen in some other track. I am following this one to get notified about new shipments but I don’t really need/want to listen to the frustrated venting that is going on.


I ordered in August and checking last week, it still said “to be decided”… -_-

Please see:


Fair enough. If dcz doesn’t respond here about my valid complaints, then we should just both remain silent on that topic in this thread.

One part of your latest is invalid.

Librem 5 USA is a different product. More expensive but using different parts which will have different supply chains. Thus, anyone switching to it is doing those who stayed behind in Librem 5 (regular)'s queue a favor. They’re not queue jumping.

That being said, I gave up a dogwood phone to switch to the L5 USA, and still haven’t seen my L5 USA. When I ask how it is that someone who was in batch dogwood didn’t get shipped the very next L5 USA that was made, I get the same canned paragraph about supply chain issues; nothing to address my complaint that my place in line wasn’t honored.

I too am contemplating demanding a full refund.

Can you please tell when you placed the upgrade order?

Responding to complaints is not why I’m here, it’s to keep threads civil and on-topic. I’ll keep your reply hidden, you’re free to post it separately.

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Crap! I thought you were here to supply the free coffee and donuts! :grin::wink:

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There is no more L5 received lately?
Weren’t there supposed to be the necessary parts until the first quarter of 2022?

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5 posts were split to a new topic: Off-topic from shipping

It could be that, or it could be that none of the receivers posts here. Shrug we’ll have to see.

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I’m a bit worried about this as well. I think today my current Android phone practically died completely. The battery had been getting weaker and weaker day by day. Now it was in a reboot loop even while connected to a usb power supply.

By using two adapters I managed to insert my nano sim into an old Nokia phone, one that shows 2005 as the default date! So I only have a mobile phone now, no more mobile Internet access (except if I take my PineBook with me, and if there happens to be free wifi, which is rare in Germany).

My Librem 5 “order date” (campaign contribution) is October 19, 2017. Address confirmation e-mail October 25, 2021, answered by me after two days. I will report it here, if/ when the Librem 5 should arrive!


Personally I think we’re past concerns on “if” the phone will arrive and really it is down to when. I’m estimating 2022 for my January 2019 order, unfortunately I’m concerned about VoLTE support or, more precisely, the lack thereof.