New Post: Librem 5 Update: Shipping Estimates and CPU Supply Chain

Do you understand the difference between buying a phone and funding a phone ?
Let me explain to you
When you buy a phone, the product has already been funded, created, tested, certified, produced and sent to the retailer
When you fund a phone, the product is just an idea that need to become reality, some fails, some are successfull, putting together a project like this is full of obstacle and problems to resolve, so yes it takes time, failures and successes to the final product

You said that you won’t purchasing another product from Purism, did you mean participate to a crowfunding ? 'cause Purism is selling already funded and finalized products

  1. You understand that Purism is a small compagny without the power delivery of Google, Apple, or Samsung ?
    They were transparent about their (lake of) capacity to mass deliver : “we don’t know yet, to be determined”
    How could you expect a high mass delivery from a small company ? That’s nonsense.

  2. Evergreen is the final iteration of the hardware, the software will be improved day by day, they already have proven that.

  3. Read again, it seems you had trouble reading te part about the shortages where Volkswagen, Honda, Bosch, Renault, Daimler, General Motors have the same problem
    Please explain how Purism should do better than those big companies

I think you don’t see that Pine64 and Fxtec (lmao) are miles away behind what Purism is doing

Like HOLY HELL, why is there always someone to undermine the work done by Purism when they are providing news ?
Like putting together a smartphone is something obvious, fast and easy to do O_o WTF ?!

@Kyle_Rankin: Thanks for the news ! That’s very exciting !!

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So you are over dramatic?

Only in the circumstance where purism had been more transparent. Under the current circumstance, I’d say I’m being fair and reasonable don’t you?

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The vibe from the shipping update is that it is not.

That would be a question for lawyers.

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I’m not one for drama. Given the recent announcement from Purism nothing has gone up in flames. The continual progress on the Librem 5’s would seem to echo that sentiment.

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It’s an underwhelming update and completely in line with any other Ponzi scheme.

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And yet, numerous people on this forum have received a Librem 5. It is in the wild. So I stand by my comments.

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Yeah Yeah the earth is flat and we are controlled by lizard aliens, thx for your input

:man_facepalming:

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Alright keep it in your pants…

You have a fairly long wait then. That’s the reality. Should have got in earlier. :wink:

The truth is that real people like me have already received a phone. It is sitting on the desk in front of me. It is real.

Writing crazy stuff on the internet doesn’t alter reality - but patience will be required.

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It’s not as dramatic as you might think. About 2500 people will now get their estimates (and you’ll soon know what they are).
Until July 2018 only about 500 more phones have been ordered. So, you’re close.


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Is he? Purism hasn’t reserved enough CPUs for all the pre-orders, and getting more is tough (?), as Nicole Faerber said 23 days ago:

(note: she doesn’t specifically mention Librem5’s CPU, but that’s produced by NXP)

EDIT: Since late November, Librem 5 Shop Page has this estimate:

Place your order now, get it in a few months!

Isn’t that a lie?

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I admit my comments were reactive to state of transparency and fluency in purism comms. I did kinda suggest the USA may implode before I get my phone and I got my ill deserved attention which has been fun. I am a reasonable person, a little impatient and frustrated, but reasonable. :slight_smile:

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Close in line. Not implied “close in delivery time”.

However, note that it says “expect to rise”. Also note Kyle’s comments on that:

As we started getting word about this shortage we were proactive in sourcing and purchasing all the CPUs we can, and continue to do so, while also factoring these increased lead times into future orders.
Based on our efforts thus far there’s a good chance it will not affect your shipping time

That doesn’t sound like the next NXP shipment is due in 26 weeks from now.

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Yes, over dramatic.

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What is the most time consume task in the shipping process?
If the assembling is need a lot of time, then can we talking about the DIY sets?
I think, not just me able to assemble the components. What you think, if save month(s) then would you be willing to assemble yourself? This method save time booth for you and the Purism team .

If you are wanting a refund Do not hold your breath as I requested over 2 weeks ago and twice repeated the request since. If you are waiting for a phone don’t hold it either. No response and my order status still “awaiting shipment”. No voLTE support and now CPU shortage. We may wait until next year for a working phone and it may not work for long after the carriers only allow voLTE. I wish they would keep 1 promise about shipping times. If I get a refund in the next 2 years, then I might revisit buying a phone from Purism in 2023. In the environment we are in now ATT/T-mobile might reject the phone because they can not control your speech on a open and secure phone platform .

Service toot:
The total number of backers is 3000. About 2000…2500 of them did not yet get a phone. Those will know their shipping date soon.
Until Dec 2018, about 1000 more phones have been ordered.
So, assuming they did not yet order more CPUs, a next batch of 1000 could still be done in July.
Although I’m not that pessimistic.

Explaining customers who ordered a DIY kit what they did wrong during their assembly :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I pre-ordered 7/31/2019. I know, should’ve gotten in sooner, but realistically, it sounds like I’m staring at a 6-12 month wait? As I’ve been without a personal phone now for six months (using my corporate spIphone for personal use in the interim), would anyone have any good short-term, budget conscious alternatives while I wait for the L5? Pine might work for me; I’ve seen other options in various threads running /e/, Lineage, Sailfish, etc. Just curious what this group would recommend for a short-term usage with potential backup use down the road for L5.

Thanks!

I work in the silicon chip industry and wanted to offer some advice to Purism when it comes to the sourcing of the silicon chips in a market of shortages. The automotive industry is starting to lay people off right now while simultaneously experiencing a high demand for their products, for one reason. Silicon chip customers are having difficulty sourcing the needed silicon chips that go in to their products. The work from home situation caused by the pandemic has significantly increased the demand in the consumer electronics market and silicon chip manufacturers can’t keep up. All segments that use any given chip are affected.

Where I work, there is a term for the affect described below. The executives use this term routinely. I’ll avoid using that same term here because I doubt that other silicon manufacturers use the same term to describe this effect. But they must all have some term for the same affect because of how greatly the related issues affect company profitability.

It takes a minimum of ninety days or longer (often much longer), from start of a new lot of wafers until the wafers are ready to be assembled in to IC packages and eventually sold to customers. Five months or more is a reasonable time from placement of a new order until that same product could be shipped to a customer. Of course, that is too long for the customer to wait. So the silicon manufacturer has to predict in advance, what they think the future demand might be and build the chips long before the orders are placed. If they build too many, they end up scrapping un-sold product, which lowers profits. If they make too few, a large backlog occurs, causing customers to wait weeks or up to several months (maybe even years) to receive their orders. When the demand greatly exceeds the supply, customers double and triple or quadruple (or more) their order sizes. This allows them to fulfill their own back-orders and plans ahead for their anticipated future needs, based on the shortage (order more than you really need). It makes them feel better psychologically too, given the shortage. If they order too many, they can always cancel future product deliveries before those orders are shipped to them. Amidst sky-rocketing demands of the moment, the silicon manufacturer has to project how many of these orders are real and how many of them are “phantom orders” (that will be canceled later), as world markets fluctuate and will be different in six months from now than they are today. The manufacturer has to see in to the future to make only enough chips to meet the real demand as it will occur six months from now. If they get that wrong, it costs them money. The pipeline through silicon fabs is slow and narrow. The manufacturer can’t just let their fab employees go for six months while while waiting for their stockpiles to diminish to normal levels and expect these highly skilled fab employees to return to work six months later when they may need to ramp-up production again. They can only add fab employees as needed, and let attrition lower the number of fab employees to decrease staffing over time. Anything less shows disloyalty by the company to the employees and causes a myriad of other problems that result. Whether a layoff is big or small, the company pays a significant price too. So in the midst of an extreme backlog, a silicon manufacturer might even slow production, depending on other factors (near prophetic predictions of future world events and conditions). A game of rapidly escalating and collapsing demand from customers vs near-prophetic prediction of future world events by the silicon manufacturer occurs, as the silicon manufacturer only builds and stores the correct number of chips to balance customer needs against company profits as will occur six months in the future. If they build too many chips, profits suffer. If they build too few chips, customers have to wait several weeks or months (maybe even years) to get the product they ordered.

So if I were Purism, and I knew that my ramp-up and future production of Librem 5 shipments was imminent and not dependant on new demand, I would plan accordingly when ordering the silicon chips. Ask the sales person if the pre-payment of the entire order under terms of no possible cancelation will give your order a priority in order of shipments they send out. If the answer is “yes”, this will let the silicon manufacturer know that none of Purism’s orders might be “phantom”, as created to buffer against other conditions in world markets that might occur in the future. If they let you, pay in advance for all anticipated needs, place the order that way to give your order a higher priority. If the answer is “no” and you need 10K chips for the foreseeable future or to cover the combined needs for all back-ordered Librem 5’s, order 100K chips now and pay the minimum amount down. Be prepared to cancel 90% of the order before it is delivered to you. Set the delivery schedule up to deliver 10K chips now and 10K chips each month afterward. But be prepared to act quickly on any cancelations. Basically, you want to ‘out-phantom’ their prediction of phantom orders to assure that you get your product sooner than others in the market will, under a shortage situation. If the shortage is really bad, they may even ship you partial orders each month after you pay in full. This game involving phantom orders has a name. I am sure that each different manufacturer has their own name for it. You order what you want them to think you need in hopes of receiving more product sooner than you would have received otherwise. They try to predict how big your lie might be. Ultimately, they try to distribute as much product as they can, as fairly as they can until their backlog is caught up. If you only order what you need without pre-paying for it, you might end up being last in line after they consider a possible phantom order element of their over all customer demand.

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