Why did you do this? The point of Libre software, at least in theory, is that it is supposed to be modifiable by the user. You identified a problem in need of fixing and then wasted time leaving it broken instead of downloading the LibreOffice source and fixing it for yourself and others.
When you choose to waste time like this, aren’t you letting yourself and everyone else down?
There is a major quality difference that Libre software produces or can produce and what Apple Keynote that is also free on a MAC produces.
As previously stated I work on deadlines thus didn’t have the time to mess with it.
I won’t fix it because I’m not the one who fully understands what is missing. It sounds like you are the one who better understands that.
Did you file an issue on the LibreOffice issue trackers, at least? Maybe I could read more about it if I was going to think about implementing it some day during downtime.
But it sounds like you were operating on a deadline, so I think if you automated your work to make sure you met the deadline surely that would’ve gone faster than clicking a button a gazillion times repeatedly.
It’s been filed for years yes I looked it up and then abandoned that project and went back to MS Word.
Sounds like all the more reason to fix it for oneself, but maybe that’s just my perspective.
On PureOS, use sudo apt install obs then during the setup wizard, tell it you are recording and not streaming. Then add a window recording to record the Impress application, go into settings and tell it to save as mp4, set a hotkey to record in obs, then tell Impress to start slideshow. Once the slideshow is fullscreen, press the record hotkey, click through the presentation at your natural speaking rate, then press the end recording hotkey at the end before closing the presentation. The two hotkeys can be the same key for on/off – I often set this to F9.
This way, you can make an mp4 of your presentation without exposing your data to an unknown third party online.
You made the statement that 1. Libre produces professional outputs and 2. that I could use office online. Libra cannot produce the same level of quality as Apple Keynote and PowerPoint produces the same low quality result as LibreOffice Impress. So my reply was in fact relevant.
@Dlonk if I had the free time on my hands I would fix it and add the ability to create higher quality output too, but I don’t.
Really, if PureOS wanted to become more mainstream and sell more laptops they would invest the time and money to make or polymorph software to be able to produce higher quality outputs. If there was an office productivity native ability encapsulated in PureOS they could and would gain market share. Moreover, gaining market share is absolutely 100% their goal or they wouldn’t be creating laptops, mobile devices and more.
In the present time, I understand having time. But I thought you meant that in the past you spent a very significant amount of time on a manual workaround, which to me sounded like more time than what it would have taken to write some automation. It’s possible that I misunderstood you.
You have made this quality statement many times, but what is the objective technological difference? Can you explain what function you believe to be missing in libre software, such that then someone with the time could choose to implement it?
Here’s my perspective – and maybe this means I should leave helping you out to folks more knowledgeable than myself, but – I have not used Apple computers for any great length of time as my personal machine since roughly the year 2002. I have never used the Apple Keynote that I recall, and without that experience I currently feel no pressure to use it for anything in particular in my life. Why should that have to be different for you?
https://murena.io/ does in fact provide encapsulated in their OS an office productivity system, but for a mobile OS and only cloud based. It however does provide a much higher quality output than LibreOffice. It is not ideal for a PureOS user at least not for me.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, and I appreciate your willingness to engage in this discussion. You’re right in pointing out that personal experience with specific software significantly shapes our preferences and needs.
To address your question about the objective technological differences: one key factor often cited is the integration and optimization of hardware and software in proprietary systems like Apple’s. Apple’s ecosystem, for instance, is designed to offer seamless integration across devices, enhancing user experience through features like Handoff, where users can start a task on one device and continue on another. This level of integration is not always as readily available or smooth in libre software environments.
Additionally, while libre software offers remarkable flexibility and customization, proprietary software like Apple’s Keynote often provides a more user-friendly interface and advanced features geared towards specific professional needs, such as advanced animation and graphic options for presentations. These features are not always present, or may not be as refined, in libre alternatives.
However, this doesn’t mean that everyone requires these specific features or that libre software is inherently lacking. It’s more about finding the right fit for individual or organizational needs. For someone deeply entrenched in the Apple ecosystem or requiring specific advanced features, the switch to a libre alternative might indeed feel like a compromise.
In your case, since you haven’t felt the need for these specific features in your work or personal life, it’s entirely valid for you not to feel compelled to use proprietary software like Apple Keynote. Everyone’s requirements and preferences are different, and what works for one may not be necessary for another.
I hope this clarifies the situation. Your assistance and input are always valuable, regardless of the software preferences we individually hold.
Why does every hardware company have to be a software company? PureOS is based on Gnome, and Gnome is contaminated with surveillance as mentioned in other threads. If you sudo apt install tcpdump on a Librem 5 or Librem 14 right out of the box after connecting to internet, then run sudo tdpdump -i any to listen for internet traffic on any interface, both devices will call home to an amazonaws endpoint to report their device location every few seconds. Why? Purism people probably don’t even know. They’re a hardware company.
Trying to tell Purism that the pie charts on some program that Purism folks didn’t write are inferior charts and should offer the option of a radial gismo sporting three dimensions instead seems like a distraction from getting a base system that works free from ridiculous spyware and garbage when there are probably bigger fish to fry.
@Dlonk
Absolutely, your point is well-taken. Debating the merits of different operating systems can often lead us into a cycle of comparison without productive outcomes. Instead, a more effective approach would be to focus our collective energies on enhancing the Linux ecosystem. By developing more user-friendly software that rivals the professionalism of Apple Keynote and MS Word – something that current Open Office based software may lack – we can work towards making Linux more mainstream and appealing to a broader audience. This is not just about matching the features of existing software but about innovating and possibly surpassing them, leveraging the unique strengths and community-driven nature of Linux. Let’s channel our discussions and efforts into tangible developments that elevate the Linux experience for all users.
Moreover, it’s evident that the current financial challenges being faced are, in part, a reflection of the system’s user-friendliness, or lack thereof. The ongoing need to raise funds suggests a deeper issue – that if the system were more intuitive and user-friendly, it might attract a wider user base and, consequently, more financial stability. By focusing efforts on enhancing the user experience, the need for external fundraising could potentially be reduced, leading to a more self-sustaining model. Addressing this aspect could be a key strategy in resolving the financial constraints being experienced. Do a simply search on the web you will find that money is an issue for them.
Sounds like a plan.
Never heard of obs however, what is it? (Yes I could probably look it up on Mint and get the short description in synaptic.)
It is just my perspective of not knowing all the 3 letter names of all linux software. I would have told my son I had known.
Just because you can’t make them work into your workflow doesn’t mean they aren’t progessional products that work in many other workflows. I personally find Apple Keynote to be clunky and poorly laid out and slower to do the same tasks, I don’t take that experience and say Apple Keynote is unprofessional because of that.
LMAO - provide something you’ve created in any system let’s take a look at it. I provided what I created in apple keynote. Looking forward to seeing your professional looking work.
I want to clarify that my intention was not to pick a fight. My comment regarding LibreOffice Impress was based on its current capabilities in comparison to my specific professional requirements. It appears that our definitions of what constitutes ‘professional’ in this context may differ. This difference in perspective is important to acknowledge apparently. I was looking for a solution and did not find one in this thread bottomline.
Just so it is known I am no longer watching this thread and won’t reply going forward in this debate. LMAO
Edit to note: sent before your edit loaded for me…
No. I’m not engaging in a competition with no defined parameters with a person intent on being the other competitor, judge, and master of ceremonies.
Also the things i have seen shared by you would not be seen as professional work products in the environments I work.
And in any case this would not refute my points raised. Really it sounds like we are using very different definitions of professional and as such talking past each other.
The letters are supposed to stand for Open Broadcasting Software if I recall. Some people use it for streaming, but I typically use it simply as a way to do screen recording.
I haven’t followed if they had any drama or how they’re doing – it’s been a while since I looked them up, I just simply use the software and have for years – but it seems to be a very effective software.
So, I maintain an open source alternative to some proprietary software in a very niche space that no one cares about, and it’s true I’ve really been slacking off in recent years and there is a user fork better than my original stuff but also different enough that it’s almost a rewrite and I don’t have the time to merge it. But even before my laziness struck, I really had the feeling that the corporate and proprietary version of the software isn’t a static, idle target that we can pinpoint and replicate. Just like the open alternative, they are also evolving and evolve in response to us. If we catch up to them, they evolve a reason that their users feel we have not. It can be exceedingly frustrating to see as a developer, when you spend months of your life building something, and then shortly after you publish it the user asks why it doesn’t work, and it turns out the answer is that a simple system that you had reversed over a few years – with the help of others who spent even longer and shared their specifications – now was replaced in the proprietary version. And the replacement was designed to depend on a third party library with half a jillion lines of code that makes everything immensely more complex, so that it functions marginally better but in a way that I can’t offer a match for.
It feels like being stabbed in the gut, man, and why are we doing that? We’re doing that because the people ever used the proprietary version to begin with. I’m not going to wake up tomorrow and have more money than some major corporation. The only solution is for me to decide that I don’t care about them (and maybe post parodies online when their immensely complex spaghetti code breaks apart and the users can only fix all their issues by just going back to the old version).
This is my speculation but I feel like this could easily be one of those cases. If we convinced one of our favorite hardware companies to develop Libre Keynote, just as soon as they do Apple who probably would’ve been strategically reading this forum all along might publish Apple Super Keynote, some program that boosts user efficiency by an extra 5% that you just cannot do without by using some AI assisted enhancement of the end result that can only work by using Apple Silicon AI chips.
So, I’m struggling to convince myself here – and again this might be my ignorance speaking – but I’m struggling to convince myself that the problem here isn’t simply your own mind, and someone else’s grip on it to prevent you from living a different way with computers and choosing free software.