All the pro-Purism arguments i’m seeing thus far here seem to hinge on the idea that you have the damn phone in your hands . When you have people waiting over 3 years, and no phone your pro-Purism arguments are moot. I’ve moved multiple times since then, changed main emails multiple times, had a whole ass relationship since then, still no phone.
@fsflover yeah, how about we do get compensation from Google and the gov and our employers for their invasions into our lives, I’m all for that. And all that would leave us in the same position, waiting for some elusive vaporware. Now Purism is violating another of my personal pet peeves, phones should not only be privacy respecting, they should also be affordable. I would never buy a $1200 phone, privacy respecting or not.
Conversely, all the anti-Purism arguments I see hinge on the idea that you do not have the damn phone in your hands. For all the complaints made by all the people making the complaints, it all boils down to impatience. Once the shipping email arrives, complaints (price, business practices, marketing tactics) go away.
If it makes you feel better, I also do not have the damn phone in my hands.
My argument is not pro-Purism or anti-Purism. It is anti-noise. I just don’t need that high-pitched whining sound in my life, when there is so much useful content in this forum.
Almost all of the people who are being subjected to this whining are mere customers who can’t do a damn thing about getting a damn phone into your hands.
No one is chaining you to the thread, it’s a big forum, if you’re not adding to the “Where’s the phone?” discussion you’re making noise here. It’s a single thread among thousands.
Purism wrote real free software, which you can see yourself, on the money you paid for the phone. It is a huge contribution to the fight against Google and it’s far from vaporware. It’s also more expensive than the hardware.
Also, you are behaving as if you would never get your phone. Nobody said that. Every time Purism gets the CPUs, they are shipping more devices.
I do not have the phone. But I will have it. And now I see the proof that (1) Purism used my money for good already and (2) every time they get CPUs, they ship more phones. What else can I ask for? Magic?
Who is behaving as if they have the phone and how do you recognize it?
This simply isn’t true (at least not for all people). Late last year I ordered (NOT PRE-ORDERED, for goodness sake) a Librem 5 USA, then in the following month I realized that Purism couldn’t be trusted to fulfill what they claimed they could (in terms of shipping the device they claimed was in stock). I cancelled my order, but Purism refused to refund my money for my cancelled order (NOT A PRE-ORDER, for goodness sake). This is unethical in the highest degree in terms of business practices. I had to get my $2,000 back by a charge reversal via my credit card (which I still could do, thank God). I ended up purchasing a Librem 5 off of eBay, and in the process of time I decided to give Purism (as a company) one last chance to be a decent company by trying the Librem SIMple service plan. After two months of service, Purism lost my number somehow (I can only assume because they failed to pay AT&T for it). They finally recovered my number after 5-6 days, but I was done and decided to move to Verizon and a normie phone (yes, I am fully aware of how much privacy is given up by doing this). When I tried to get Purism to give me the necessary PIN to transfer my number from Purism to Verizon (because I gave up on Purism), Purism could not. While I can’t classify that as “unethical,” it is business buffoonery. My complaints about Purism are not because I didn’t have the device in my hands, but because my two business interactions with Purism have been horrible. Some people say “But there’s no other company making ethical computing devices!” I’m sorry, but if the company producing the product cannot be ethical or competent in their business practices, I don’t want them selling anything to anyone, regardless of how “free” (as in freedom) the device is.
If you’d gotten your phone from Purism, you wouldn’t have complained about the phone number issue (nor any of the others obviously stemming from having to charge back, but that’s sort of to the side) except to let Purism fix it (which they did).
Why not? It’s completely unacceptable for a cellular provider to lose their client’s phone number, not respond for days, claim that the phone number can’t be recovered, and then finally recover it on day 6. Why wouldn’t I complain about that? Why wouldn’t I complain about Purism not being able to transfer my number from Purism to a different cellular provider?
chuckle You’re telling me that if you had cell service from Purism, you would be totally fine if they lost your phone number, did not respond for 3-4 days, claimed that your phone number couldn’t be recovered, and then finally recovered it on day 6?
There are at least two reasons I didn’t try to work with AT&T directly (one which I can explain later if you want), but because you apparently are so smart, please tell me what you would have told AT&T when they asked for your account information.
Oh, I’m not angry with you. I find this rather comical. I’m legitimately grinning and almost chuckling right now. I would love to know how such a smart guy like you would do away with the middle-man and take care of the issue directly with AT&T.
