Backed the librem 5 in 2017. Received an email that device could be shipped in the end of 2021 and asked for a refund then. Was told it would take a few weeks and then did not received a refund. Asked for the refund again and was told it would be refuned in the first week of april. Still not received a refund and now they refuse to give a date.
I do agree with this judgement of yours indeed. Although I wasn’t actually suggesting selling away received Librem 5 either. Thanks anyway for correcting me, it was clear and purposely needed reaction from your side!
Were you thinking about transferring the order to another potential customer? That’s also something I wish people weren’t obliged to do. It’s like trying to find someone to pay to take your place in a queue.
Anything between the company and the customer that requires the customer to involve a third party leaves a bitter taste, in my view.
Yes. And as second, I’m not saying that some Purism employee should be involved there as much (like we were asked at previous point of time on which Librem 5 Batch do we want to get delivered), doing just the final step where seller (perhaps @jox might reconsider such option) of his place within waiting queue sends out message to Purism requesting to transfer his pre-order to someone else (that is final and only official part of such conversation between two people). All I recommended in my above post is that we are having instrument of private message within this Forum where seller of some pre-order (should make new thread by her/himself offers certain place in queue to be sold). Few months ago I already bought one place in queue or rather pre-order this way from someone living within Europe. It was an easy conversation, SEPA money sent out from another EU country and transfer of #Purism_XYYXXXXXXX confirmed from Purism support@ side. As described here:
where @Gagnarf final reply to me over private message was:
I counter that at this point we’re seeing reports of devices ordered in 2018 being delivered, as such an order from 2017 would very much qualify as having already met their spot in the queue and should have either been shipped or had their refund processed. This is of course taking all claims at face value as there is no meaningful method to validate them from the outside.
Purism has already unilaterally and retroactively changed the agreement from refunds being provided upon request to requiring the customer to wait until their order is available to ship, to delay further does raise further ethical questions in my mind.
How does one estimate when they’ll get a refund if they aren’t being issued when the device would have been shipped as the latest agreement says they would…
While I agree the customer should not have to involve a third party and sell their device themselves or sell their place in the queue it does get them money the fastest, unfortunately it also incentivises Purism to delay as much as possible as then they don’t have to try and sell the device since the people canceling are doing that sales part for them.
Which ones? I already wrote on how we can leave out and that we can leave out Purism of this game (money from 2017 wasn’t deposited on some Bank account, it was invested into this project, probably even into the NXP® working places in Austin, TX, somewhere where it was used well, as needed in particular building blocks phase) and offer to someone else particular Librem 5 spot in the queue or even give it away as present to someone that we care about or even to someone else that cares about getting and using Librem 5 ASAP. Please refer to this:
Yes it does look like that their Librem 5 will be delivered sooner. But with having those requesting their pre-order money back you’ll get your Librem 5 indeed sooner? I doubt that while money that might be additionally invested into the production of one extra Librem 5 will be gone (if and when refunded), money is lost at the moment when refund provided.
And please note that this post of mine is dialog between us that are interested in Purism success and/or getting Librem 5 into their hands to be used as intended for (to communicate) and not for those that want to prove something that they didn’t pay for in advance.
@chrizz, in the meantime this (as explained within related post) might help you to get your money back earlier (just make a new thread here within this Forum, explaining what you want to sell, if decided to follow what I’m proposing that you might do here):
They also said refunds would be issued when they reached your spot in the queue, and that’s without digging into the many other missed self set dates. I would set expectations for q2 2023 at the earliest using past experience to inform future expectations, especially when accounting for the already pushed return time frame from on your spot in the queue to the quarter after your spot in the queue.
I ordered in April of 2018. I ended up in the Evergreen batch. I first requested a refund in Sept 2021, almost 3½ years later. I was told I could have a refund when my phone was ready to ship.
In May 2022, I was finally informed that my device was ready to ship. I requested a refund. I was told that my refund ticket would take “several weeks to process”. In June I asked what the status was, and they informed me that my refund was “scheduled to be processed in Q4 2022”. At the end of December 2022 I emailed again and was informed that my case “is still in the refund processing queue. There is no precise ETA at the moment”.