Librem 5 Fir Batch

->As far as I know<- this shouldn’t be the way because of e-waste. Nearly every device (not only phones) should use same charging cables because anything else makes no sense. However, I haven’t read a lot of digital politics while last months and I may missed something (and politicians sometimes change their mind). So if you have some news it would be nice to get a link that I can read it (ger or en). I also update you, when I’m more up to date.

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Understanding that we are talking about a hypothetical but … with the approach of using an adapter, a USB-C charger and a USB-C to USB-C cable would work just fine with this hypothetical phone. (I mean “would work” if it works at all because obviously USB-C doesn’t always “just work”.)

So to clarify my previous post:

a phone might still be compliant providing that it
a) does not come with a charger, and
b) does not come with a charging cable, and
c) does come with a tiny adapter that has USB-C PD on one side and a barrel connector on the other side (and it doesn’t even matter whether it comes with this adapter as long as the customer can obtain the adapter).

By way of illustration that such adapters are not themselves hypothetical: UPERFECT X Mini lapdock works with Librem 5 (first bullet point) If it’s good enough for Kyle, it’s good enough for me. :wink:

I agree. And in addition, I have no doubt that USB Type-C is very fine port/connector: :wink:.

EDIT: @Ick, this article (although relatively old one) is about manufacturer that follows exactly what you wrote in your post: “It is USB-IF PD3.0–certified with TID 3666; is compatible with USB PD3.0 and Type-C V1.4; and can support BC1.2 DCP, CDP, and SDP while the source is attached. The HUSB238 can be used in electronic devices that have legacy barrel connectors (also called ”barrel connector replacement”) or USB Micro-B connectors as an alternative power resource.

Wishes in Fir:
Built-in FLIR Lepton 3.5 thermal sensor.

Will be first-in-the-world in professional gnu devices by Purism. :wink:


What is the application of the thermal sensor? Why would I want higher price, higher complexity, higher weight, and higher energy consumption in order to have this sensor packed next to everything else?

Thermal scanner, this help to troubleshooting a lot things, things that the human eye cannot see but you will with a Fir Purism device. : )

Good question.

The poster specified “FLIR Lepton 3.5” which is a product name rather than a device type. FLIR is an ancronym coined by the maker of the “FLIR Lepton 3.5” and stands for “Forward Looking Infra-Red”. Teledyne FLIR sells their products mostly to government law enforcement: border patrol, surveillance, search and rescue, security camera, grow-light drug grower detection, …

Personally I can’t imagine why one would want it integrated into a phone. That said, for geek-out uses there have been raspberry pi boards incorporating these. [From Teledyne FLIR themselves see ]

I am just thinking for a longer time that maybe the main problem of Librem 5 is that there are several very different use cases and Librem 5 tries to satisfy way too many user groups at the same time leading to many people disappointed and to splitting the highly limited resources to work on too many topics at the same time.

  1. A 4G mobile phone that is more trustable than the mobile phones on the market.
  2. An Android phone where you have real control over the camera, microphone, and wireless communication like LTE, WiFi, and Bluetooth.
  3. A general purpose Linux notebook in the size of a Smartphone.
  4. A Linux Smartphone.

Librem 5 tries to be all 4 at the same time and ends up in the middle due to limitations in the CPU and energy consumption.
So actually there could have been 4 different devices:

The first one could have been something with even less computational power than Librem 5, but do the job of being a secure mobile phone well. Kill switches, good battery life, stable modem, Linux based OS without modern apps. No desktop Linux apps. Weaker and less power hungry CPU. Something like the Precursor phone but better (Precursor does not even have a modem at the moment if I am not mistaken).

The second could be an Android Smartphone with stock Android that gives hardware control to the user. Just Android but with hardware kill switches for sensors, camera, microphone, Bluetooth, WiFi, and LTE modem.

The third is what Librem 5 currently tries to be, but the task is a huge one.

The fourth would be a Linux Smartphone without the security bells and whistles. Focus not on the higher hardware security compared to Android or iOS, but using similar SoC like Android and iOS and delivering just the Linux alternative so that the users benefit from the better performance and battery life and the ecosystem of apps gets developed. No better security. Just breaking the oligopoly of Google and Apple.

I think we suffer due to too high ambitions considering the limited resources. You see, if an engineer spends time to fine tune the thermal sensor and make it work and to write an app for the thermal sensor, the same engineer is not working on other topics. So you are not getting a better product. You are sacrificing the core functionality in order to get some decorations on the top.


I think the entire effort for Fir should be to refine the existing platform to make it better, adding a bunch of fringe devices to it at this stage makes no sense. Remember they are not Samsung, they can’t dedicate thousands of engineers to this. Make it smaller and more energy efficient is going to be a big enough challenge when you can’t use industry standard blobby hardware.


… which raises a good question: Is the proposed IR sensor even viable? i.e. is it blob-free?

Technically speaking, the Librem 5 already has IR hardware - but it is well beyond my knowledge as to what the overlap and gaps would be between the existing IR hardware and the proposed sensor.

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GNU: Purism: Please make the Librem 5 Fir a Delicious Desing, and 5.0 Inch only.
Please add an infrared sensor in the front of Librem 5 next to 3.5mm jack

  • Librem 5 best ever.

Wishes to Librem 5 Fir…

Add 2 next-gen Sony premium mobile speaker( one left, one right), make the Librem 5 the best to enjoy Audiophiles Videophiles.

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I think the IR sensor is more of a novelty thing. For the times you would use it couldn’t you use a USB sensor and just plug it into the L5? Like I said before, the biggest issue is refining what we already have. Power management is top priority I think because it’s a bit too reliant on being close to a power source to feel like you can spend the whole day on a charge. And other refinements like the gps/camera/bluetooth, that all needs to work better, mind you a lot of that is software development and not hardware.

The other thing is the user upgrade/service angle which I think isn’t what I thought it would be. It seems like that was touted as a feature but a dangerous one that potentially voids your warranty and that wasn’t emphasized enough in my mind. For modules with antennas a different solution other than the u.fl connector on the board needs to be developed. Even if they had a u.fl adaptor of some sort that was higher cycle count for connection/disconnection as new cards become available. People will want to upgrade these themselves but not if they are going to destroy a connector on a costly card or the mainboard itself.

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Wishes to Librem 5 Fir:

  • add a gnu logo in pcb
  • add an optional clear-body & case
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Wishes to Librem 5 Fir:

Wishes to Librem 5 Fir:

  • add a 90hz refresh rate monitor
  • reduce monitor size from 5.7 to 5.5 or 5.0.

Please please please remove in GeNUine FIR batch the RIDICULOUS mono speaker, add 2 LR next-gen stereous speaker. Purism you got it and put all the Manpower in Fir phone.

Add a Low Phosphorescent Tiger color(#fc6a20) to Power button.

Edit: Add same color to Phosh Power button UI

…Making Librem 5 FF Fir Fancy. :wink:

Swap the places of the SIM card and smartcard so that frying the SIM card by removing the tray is impossible.