Overheating the Librem 5 with USB-PD. Should I always use the charger in the box?

I found out that USB-C chargers that I used to charge my laptops and my phone (The chargers are Innergie 60C and ZMI HA832) can overheat the Librem 5 I have, and displays longer charging time shown in the battery settings.

Is it just me or using the charger from the box is a requirement?

By the way mine is an Evergreen machine.

Find a nice chunk of steel or aluminum and put the phone on top for a heat sink?

(When I used to work in a factory, scrap metal was easily found.)

Here is a chunk of aluminum I used in the reverse of a heat sink to warm my tea during my last power failure (a local transformer blew).

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maybe @dos can diagnose that.

Would you mind sharing your order date and when you got your L5?

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I got my L5 3 days ago, but I forgot when I placed my order.

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It should be available from the orders section of the My Account page on ship.puri.sm

Some community members are trying to estimate when their phones will arrive based on the order dates of people who have received their phones.

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The Librem 5 charger uses a dedicated smart charging protocol (PD1.3) to charge the phone. Always use the L5 charger and cable to charge.
On yesterday’s software update to L5 there is a new kernel that has some improvements on the battery level, charger level and optimizations. When using the original L5 charger prolongs the battery life and improves the temperature when is charging and more. Other major improvements to battery charge and temperatures are coming soon to release. A big thanks to L5 devs…

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I thought the charge controller was on board of the phone!
I used to charge my old phone through a PC USB or a car lighter USB adapter. That would be particularly convenient with L5, in order to be able to make the battery last until the evening while traveling.
Actually I noticed that with these methods the charging takes really long time, but I thought it was due to the limited power output of a USB port. I didn’t noticed an overheating indeed, it gets warmer with its charger.
You are telling me that I might do some damage?

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USB-PD is a standard for USB-C charging. You can also charge using any regular old USB charger. It will take longer, but it will not risk damage as long as the charger is compliant with the old USB charging. While we have damaged a bunch of devices by charging them wrong during development, I don’t think any of them was damaged due to a plain USB charger.

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I feel like this should have a Mythbusters episode (the classical version, preferably, but a DIY community webisode would be fine too). All the way to “ok, but what if someone connected it directly to this highvoltage line…”. Extra points, if anyone can come up with a reason to involve C4 in the experiments :wink:

I’m afraid this might be noncompliant with the USB spec :wink:

Well, for a rigorous testing protocoll…

  1. start with the compliant versions,
  2. move towards older charger,
  3. try some “special” models,
  4. see what happens with scaling up
  5. and/or some accidental malfunctions,
  6. move to intentionally testing the threshold of “at what point do we get them magic smoke appear” and
  7. end up with a finale of reckless use of ridiculous amounts of energy intellectually curious investigation of an extreme outlier (“what would happen if…”) :boom: :crazy_face: :smiley:
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Always use the L5 charger and cable to charge
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Oh no !
i’d bought a powerbank for the L5 just 2 weeks ago…

L5 uses USB-C PD3.0 to charger the phone, it is the recommended way. Currently all L5 are not stable on charging, they still have an old firmware, but there is a new firmware to be released which has many improvements in battery charging.
Not all USB-C are PD. and Purism only develops the charge with the original L5 charger, they have not much money to waste it on development, time and testing with old chargers. The old chargers are not safe to charge the L5. You can charge the L5 with any certified usb-c PD charger only for the good performance.

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You can uses a Powerbank with USB-C PD certified.

Not quite. We prioritize making charging work well with the provided charger. But we also try to make sure compliant Power Delivery chargers work correctly as well.
At this point we recommend to use the L5 charger, because there’s still some work going on related to PD charging support.

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Yes I agree and that is what I said.
I’m happy with my L5 R5 and with the too much work that the few L5 developers do. The PURISM TEAM are true Geniuses!

You can uses a Powerbank with USB-C PD certified.

Thanks for the tips !
that’s what i’ll do.

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But will the phone actually charge when hooked up to a generic usb-charger in a car while, for instance, streaming music? Or will discharge quicker than it can charge?

I’m pretty much exclusively charging my Birch using the USB3 port on my laptop, while debugging it too. That provides 0.9A, compared to the usual wall chargers which typically go between 1.2 and 1.5A. I only have to wait for it when it overheats, not discharges.

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